F I D O N E W S -- | Vol. 10 No. 1 (4 January 1993) A newsletter of the | FidoNet BBS community | Published by: _ | / \ | "FidoNews" BBS /|oo \ | +1-415-863-2739 (_| /_) | NEW!--> 1:1/23@FidoNet _`@/_ \ _ | editor@fidonews.fidonet.org | | \ \\ | | (*) | \ )) | Editors: |__U__| / \// | Tom Jennings _//|| _\ / | Tim Pozar (_/(_|(____/ | (jm) | Newspapers should have no friends. | -- JOSEPH PULITZER ----------------------------+--------------------------------------- /********************************************************************* * IMPORTANT NOTE: The FidoNet address for FidoNews has been changed. * * The new address is: * * * * FidoNews = 1:1/23 * * * * Starting January 1993 email sent to the old address will not be * * forwarded! You were warned! * *********************************************************************/ For information, copyrights, article submissions, obtaining copies and other boring but important details, please refer to the end of this file. Table of Contents 1. EDITORIAL ..................................................... 1 Editorial: Oops ............................................... 1 2. ARTICLES ...................................................... 3 3rd Conference on Computers, Freedom and Privacy -- CFP'93 .... 3 Zone 1 ZEC Election Rules ..................................... 15 Rich Wood for ZC - The Sequel ................................. 16 The Events in the ZEC Echo .................................... 19 A Perfect Fidonet ............................................. 21 Horse Back Computing or (Home on the Range) ................... 22 All this political crap in Fidonet ............................ 23 FidoNet Lite? ................................................. 24 The Swedenborgian Ideas Echo (correction) ..................... 26 3. FIDONEWS INFORMATION .......................................... 27 FidoNews 10-01 Page 1 4 Jan 1993 ====================================================================== EDITORIAL ====================================================================== Editorial: oops by Tom Jennings (1:1/23) Three things this week. Two are actually related. One, I was taken to task for the execrable grammar and content of previous editorials. While I think the approach was a bit snotty ("Barely respectfully yours...") I admit I was getting a bit too hurried and sloppy. The use of a spell-checker was mentioned but I'll ingore that. (nyuk nyuk) The other is more serious, and has to do with making FidoNews basically inaccessible, by being too heavy-handed on my part, editorializing on this current pick-your-/0, throw-the-bums-out, "democracy" thing. By so roundly criticizing supporters of the status-quo I was preventing other opinions and statements from being aired in these ephemeral pages. I admit to the heavy-handed part, and starting NOW I will simply back off. I will say however that for all this, I have not yet seen one writing about why the current method is the one to continue with, and why it should be continued. It's not like I'm preventing them from being written, as I'm sure not receiving any, and you'd think it would be a perfect opportunity to make an ass out of the editor. I also admit to being completely obtuse, in spite of my verbosity. I'll state my personal position on this once here, and I'll henceforth back off. I also have not invoked the "resolving controversies" clause on all this "zone 1 coord" blather, because it's not devolving into personal warring, which was the main bummer. However I will consider it, or another solution, if someone will suggest one. I'm not so much "pro-democracy", where democracy seems to mean "voting", really, as much as I'm in favor of accountability. U.S.-style voting so frequently devolves into mob rule, and large-scale disenfranchisement. I truly don't know of a system that will work in our environment. It wouldn't matter so much how the "bums" (sic) got there, if there was some way to force a change when those affected directly have had enough. And "force" is the right word; it has to be able to be done against some elected/appointed/whatever persons will. FidoNews 10-01 Page 2 4 Jan 1993 As an example of that sort of accountability, look at NCs: as horrible as any particular one might be, in one way or another they remain accountable to their direct net members, who can easily conspire against them, rightly or wrongly (bad comes with the good, don't forget). It's very possible to have an angel NC, and have scumbag net members pitch them out in favor of another scumbag. You can't legislate behavior, but you can legislate process. OK, so I'll shut up now. PS: Sorry the Computers, Freedom and Privacy Conference article is so long. It is also available from the FidoNews BBS by download or filerequest as filename "CFPC". Please make it available to your callers. I've attended two CFPC's, and they're incredibly interesting, enlightening, and not just "preaching to the choir". Watch law enforcement people argue with civil-liberties types, and worse, realize they're not always enemies. Lots of far-ranging technical and social expertise all in one place. Get in arguments with CIA people who won't admit they're there (I did). Hear about how credit bureaus *really* work, and how they collect data, and what they do with it. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- FidoNews 10-01 Page 3 4 Jan 1993 ====================================================================== ARTICLES ====================================================================== The Third Conference on Computers, Freedom and Privacy -- CFP'93 9-12 March 1993, San Francisco Airport Marriott Hotel, Burlingame, CA Sponsored by: Association for Computing Machinery, Special Interest Groups on: Communications (SIGCOMM) Computers and Society (SIGCAS) Security, Audit and Control (SIGSAC) Co-Sponsors and Cooperating Organizations: American Civil Liberties Union American Library Association Asociacion de Technicos de Informatica Commission for Liberties and Informatics Computer Professionals for Social Responsibility Electronic Frontier Foundation Freedom to Read Foundation IEEE Computer Society IEEE-USA Committee on Communications and Information Policy Internet Society Library and Information Technology Association Privacy International USD Center for Public Interest Law U.S. Privacy Council The WELL (Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link) Patrons and Supporters (as of 24 December 1992): American Express Corp. Apple Computer, Inc. Dun & Bradstreet Corp. Equifax, Inc. Information Resource Service Company Mead Data Central, Inc. National Science Foundation (pending) RSA Data Security, Inc. CFP'93 Electronic Brochure 1.2 SCOPE: The advance of computer and telecommunications technologies holds great promise for individuals and society. From convenience for consumers and efficiency in commerce to improved public health and safety and increased participation in democratic institutions, these technologies can fundamentally transform our lives. FidoNews 10-01 Page 4 4 Jan 1993 At the same time these technologies pose threats to the ideals of a free and open society. Personal privacy is increasingly at risk from invasion by high-tech surveillance and eavesdropping. The myriad databases containing personal information maintained in the public and private sectors expose private life to constant scrutiny. Technological advances also enable new forms of illegal activity, posing new problems for legal and law enforcement officials and challenging the very definitions of crime and civil liberties. But technologies used to combat these crimes can pose new threats to freedom and privacy. Even such fundamental notions as speech, assembly and property are being transformed by these technologies, throwing into question the basic Constitutional protections that have guarded them. Similarly, information knows no borders; as the scope of economies becomes global and as networked communities transcend international boundaries, ways must be found to reconcile competing political, social and economic interests in the digital domain. The Third Conference on Computers, Freedom and Privacy will assemble experts, advocates and interested people from a broad spectrum of disciplines and backgrounds in a balanced public forum to address the impact of computer and telecommunications technologies on freedom and privacy in society. Participants will include people from the fields of computer science, law, business, research, information, library science, health, public policy, government, law enforcement, public advocacy and many others. General Chair ------------- Bruce R. Koball CFP'93 2210 Sixth Street Berkeley, CA 94710 510-845-1350 (voice) 510-845-3946 (fax) bkoball@well.sf.ca.us Steering Committee ------------------ John Baker Mitch Ratcliffe Equifax MacWeek Magazine Mary J. Culnan Peter G. Neumann Georgetown University SRI International Dorothy Denning David D. Redell Georgetown University DEC Systems Research Center FidoNews 10-01 Page 5 4 Jan 1993 Les Earnest Marc Rotenberg GeoGroup, Inc. Computer Professionals for Social Responsibility Mike Godwin Electronic Frontier Foundation C. James Schmidt San Jose State University Janlori Goldman American Civil Liberties Union Barbara Simons IBM Mark Graham Pandora Systems Lee Tien Attorney Lance J. Hoffman George Washington University George Trubow John Marshall Law School Donald G. Ingraham Office of the District Attorney Willis Ware Alameda County, CA Rand Corp. John McMullen Jim Warren NewsBytes MicroTimes & Autodesk, Inc. Simona Nass Student - Cardozo Law School Affiliations are listed for identification only. Pre-Conference Tutorials: On Tuesday 9 March, the day before the formal conference begins, CFP'93 is offering a number of in-depth tutorials on a wide variety of subjects on four parallel tracks. These presentations will range from interesting and informative to thought-provoking and controversial. The tutorials are available at a nominal additional registration cost. Conference Reception: Following the Tutorials on Tuesday evening, you are invited to meet new and old friends and colleagues at an opening reception. Single Track Main Program: The technological revolution that is driving change in our society has many facets and we are often unaware of the way they all fit together, especially the parts that lie outside of our own expertise and interest. The primary goal of CFP'93 is to bring together individuals from disparate disciplines and backgrounds, and engage them in a balanced discussion of all CFP issues. To this end our main program, starting on Wednesday 10 March, is on a single track enabling our attendees to take part in all sessions. Registration is Limited: CFP'93 registration will be limited to 550 attendees, so we advise you to register as early as possible and take advantage of the early registration discounts. FidoNews 10-01 Page 6 4 Jan 1993 Luncheons and Banquets: A key component of the CFP conferences has been the interaction between the diverse communities that constitute our attendees. To promote this interaction CFP'93 is providing three luncheons and evening two banquets with the cost of conference registration. EFF Pioneer Awards All conference attendees are invited to the Awards Reception sponsored by the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) on Wednesday evening, 10 March. These, the second annual EFF Pioneer Awards, will be given to individuals and organizations that have made distinguished contributions to the human and technological realms touched by computer-based communications. Birds of a Feather Sessions: CFP'93 will provide a limited number of meeting rooms to interested individuals for special Birds of a Feather sessions after the formal program each evening. These sessions will provide an opportunity for special interest discussions that were not included in the formal program and will be listed in the conference materials. For further information contact CFP'93 BoF Chair: C. James Schmidt University Librarian San Jose State University One Washington Square San Jose, CA 95192-0028 voice 408-924-2700 voice mail 408-924-2966 e-mail schmidtc@sjsuvm1.sjsu.edu CFP'93 Featured Speakers: Nicholas Johnson Nicholas Johnson was appointed head of the Federal Communications Commission by President Johnson in 1966, serving a seven year term. In his role as commissioner, he quickly became an outspoken consumer advocate, attacking network abuses and insisting that those who use the frequencies under the FCC license are the public's trustees. He has been a visiting professor of law at the College of Law at the University of Iowa since 1981 and is currently co-director of the Institute for Health, Behavior and Environmental Policy at the University of Ohio. Willis H. Ware Willis H. Ware has devoted his career to all aspects of computer science--hardware, software, architectures, software development, public policy and legislation. He chaired the "HEW committee" whose report was the foundation for the Federal Privacy Act of 1974. President Ford appointed him to the Privacy Protection Study Commission whose report remains the most extensive examination of private sector record-keeping practices. Dr. Ware is a member of the National Academy of Engineering, a Fellow of the Institute of Electronic and Electrical Engineers, and a Fellow of the American Association for Advancement of Science. FidoNews 10-01 Page 7 4 Jan 1993 John Perry Barlow John Perry Barlow is a retired Wyoming cattle rancher, a lyricist for the Grateful Dead, and a co-founder of the Electronic Frontier Foundation. He graduated from Wesleyan University with an honors degree in comparative religion. He writes and lectures on subjects relating to digital technology and society, and is a contributing editor of numerous publications, including Communications of the ACM, NeXTworld, MicroTimes, and Mondo 2000. Cliff Stoll Cliff Stoll is best known for tracking a computer intruder across the international networks in 1987; he told this story in his book, "The Cuckoo's Egg" and on a Nova television production. He is less known for having a PhD in planetary science, piecing quilts, making plum jam, and squeezing lumps of bituminous coal into diamonds. CFP'93 Tutorials: Tuesday 9 March - Morning Tutorials Information Use in the Private Sector Jack Reed, Information Resource Service Company Diane Terry, TransUnion Corp. Dan Jones, D.Y. Jones & Assoc. This tutorial will deal with the use of personal information from the point of view of some private sector information vendors and users. It will include a discussion of the Fair Credit Reporting Act and the "Permissible Purposes" for obtaining a consumer credit report. Information used for purposes outside the FCRA will be discussed in relationship to privacy and societal needs for businesses and individuals. Access to Government Information: James Love, Director, Taxpayer Assets Project The tutorial will examine a wide range of problems concerning citizen access to government information, including how to ask for and receive information under the federal Freedom of Information Act, what types of information government agencies store on computers, what the barriers are to citizen access to these information resources, and how citizens can change government information policy to expand access to taxpayer- funded information resources. Exploring the Internet -- a guided journey Mark Graham, Pandora Systems Tim Pozar, Late Night Software This tutorial will give participants a practical introduction to the most popular and powerful applications available via the world's largest computer network, the Internet. There will be hands-on demonstrations of communications tools such as e-mail, conferencing, Internet Relay Chat, and resource discovery and navigation aids such as Gopher, WAIS, Archie and World Wide Web. Extensive documentation will be provided. FidoNews 10-01 Page 8 4 Jan 1993 Constitutional Law for Non-lawyers (1/2 session): Mike Godwin, Staff Counsel, Electronic Frontier Foundation This tutorial is designed to inform non-lawyers about the Constitutional issues that underlie computer-crime and computer civil-liberties cases. The tutorial focuses on the First and Fourth Amendments, but includes a discussion of the Fifth Amendment and its possible connection to the compelled disclosure of cryptographic keys. It also includes a discussion of the appropriateness of "original intent" as a method for applying the Constitution in the modern era. Civil Liberties Implications of Computer Searches & Seizures (1/2 ses.): Mike Godwin, Staff Counsel, Electronic Frontier Foundation This tutorial assumes only a very basic knowledge of Constitutional law (the prior tutorial provides an adequate background), and outlines how searches and seizures of computers may raise issues of First and Fourth Amendment rights, as well as of federal statutory protections. It includes a discussion of what proper search-and-seizure techniques in such cases may be. Tuesday 9 March - Afternoon Tutorials Practical Data Inferencing: What we THINK we know about you. Russell L. Brand, Senior Computer Scientist, Reasoning Systems What do your transaction trails reveal about you? Are you a good risk to insure? Are you worth kidnapping, auditing or suing? Which products should I target at you? Are you a member of one of those groups that I would want to harass or discriminate against? This tutorial will be a hands-on approach to digging for data and to piecing it back together. Time will be divided between malicious personal invasions and sweeping searches that seek only profit, followed by a brief discussion about improper inferences and their practical impact on innocent files and lives. Legal and moral issues will not be addressed. Telecommunications Fraud Donald P. Delaney, Senior Investigator, New York State Police Illegal call sell operations in New York City are estimated to be a billion dollar industry. This tutorial will provide an overview of the problem, from finger hacking to pay phone enterprises, and will include an up-to-date assessment of the computer cracker/hacker/phone phreak impact on telephone company customer losses. Also discussed will be unlawful access of telephone company switches; unlawful wiretapping and monitoring; cards, codes and 950 numbers; New York State law and police enforcement; methods of investigation and case studies. Private Sector Marketplace and Workplace Privacy Ernest A. Kallman, Bentley College, H. Jeff Smith, Georgetown University FidoNews 10-01 Page 9 4 Jan 1993 This tutorial will give participants a general overview of privacy issues affecting uses of personal information (e.g., medical information, financial information, purchase histories) in the marketplace as well as privacy concerns in the workplace (e.g., privacy of electronic and voice mail, work monitoring). The tutorial will also set the boundaries for privacy arguments in the middle and latter 1990s. SysLaw Lance Rose, Attorney and Author "SysLaw" The SysLaw tutorial session will explore in depth the freedom and privacy issues encountered by computer bulletin boards (BBS), their system operators and their users. BBSs are estimated to number over 45,000 today (not counting corporate systems), and range from small, spare-time hobby systems to systems with thousands of users, grossing millions of dollars. BBSs are a grassroots movement with an entry cost of $1,000 or less, and the primary vehicles for new forms of electronic communities and services. Subjects covered will include: First Amendment protection for the BBS as publisher/distributor; data freedom and property rights on the BBS; how far can sysops control BBS user activities?; and user privacy on BBSs today. Note: Tutorial presenters will offer expert opinions and information. Some may advocate particular viewpoints and thus may put their own "spin" on the issues. Caveat Listener. CFP'93 Main Program Sessions: Wednesday 10 March Electronic Democracy Chair - Jim Warren, MicroTimes and Autodesk, Inc. The effects of computer and telecommunications technologies on democratic processes and institutions are increasing dramatically. This session will explore their impacts on political organizing, campaigning, access to representatives and agencies, and access to government information that is essential for a free press and an informed electorate. Electronic Voting -- Threats to Democracy Chair - Rebecca Mercuri, University of Pennsylvania This panel session will invite representatives covering a broad spectrum of involvement with the controversial subject of electronic vote tallying to address such issues as: Is a secure and reliable electronic voting system feasible? What threats to these systems are identifiable? Should electronic voting systems be open for thorough examination? Can auditability be assured in an anonymous ballot setting? Can voting by phone be practical and confidential? Did Congress exempt voting machines from the Computer Security Act? FidoNews 10-01 Page 10 4 Jan 1993 Censorship and Free Speech on the Networks Chair - Barbara Simons, IBM As online forums become increasingly pervasive, the notion of "community standards" becomes harder to pin down. Networks and BBSs will link--or create--diverse, non-geographic communities with differing standards, laws, customs and mores. What may be frank discussion in one forum may be obscenity or defamation or sexual harassment in another. This session will explore the questions of what kinds of freedom-of-speech problems face us on the Net and what kinds of legal and social solutions we need. Portrait of the Artist on the Net Chair - Anna Couey, Arts Wire Computer forums and networks make possible both new artforms and new ways of remote collaboration and exhibition. The growth of the Net creates opportunities for the blossoming of dynamic and interactive artforms and of artistic cultures -- provided that networks become widely accessible and remain open to artistic expression without political interference. This session will examine the potentials and the problems of art and artists on the Net. Thursday 11 March Digital Telephony and Crypto Policy Chair - John Podesta, Podesta and Associates The increasingly digital nature of telecommunications potentially threatens the ability of law enforcement agencies to intercept them when legally authorized to do so. In addition, the potential widespread use of cryptography may render the ability to intercept a communication moot. This session will examine these issues and the proposals that have been put before Congress by law enforcement agencies to address these perceived problems. Health Records and Confidentiality Chair - Janlori Goldman, American Civil Liberties Union As the new Administration and Congress consider proposals to reform the United States health care system, it is imperative that confidentiality and security safeguards be put in place to protect personal information. Currently, no comprehensive legislation exists on the confidentiality of health information. This session will explore the current and potential uses of health care information, and proposals to safeguard the information. The Many Faces of Privacy Chair - Willis Ware, Rand Corp. FidoNews 10-01 Page 11 4 Jan 1993 Privacy at any cost is foolish, unwise and an untenable position, and privacy at zero cost is a myth. This two-part session will explore the balancing act between the two extremes and the costs and benefits that accrue. The first part will present several examples of systems and applications in the public and private sectors that stake out a position in this continuum. The second part will be a panel discussion exploring the issues raised by the examples previously presented. The Digital Individual Chair - Max Nelson-Kilger, San Jose State University We are all represented by personal records in countless databases. As these records are accumulated, disseminated and coalesced, each of us is shadowed by an ever larger and more detailed data alter-ego, which increasingly stands in for us in many situations without our permission or even awareness. How does this happen? How does it affect us? How will it develop in the future? What can we do? This session will investigate these questions. Friday 12 March Gender Issues in Computing and Telecommunications Chair - Judi Clark, Bay Area Women in Telecommunications Online environments are largely determined by the viewpoints of their users and programmers, still predominantly white men. This panel will discuss issues of freedom and privacy that tend to affect women -- such as access, identity, harassment, pornography and online behavior -- and provide recommendations for gender equity policies to bulletin board operators and system administrators. The Hand That Wields the Gavel Chair - Don Ingraham, Asst. District Attorney, Alameda County, CA An inevitable result of the settlement of Cyberspace is the adaptation of the law to its particular effects. In this session a panel of criminal lawyers addresses the fallout from a hypothetical computer virus on the legal responsibilities of system managers and operators. The format will be a simulated court hearing. Attendees will act as advisory jurors in questioning and in rendering a verdict. The Power, Politics, and Promise of Internetworking Chair- Jerry Berman, Electronic Frontier Foundation This session will explore the development of internetworking infrastructures, domestically and worldwide. How will this infrastructure and its applications be used by the general public? What will the global network look like to the average user from Kansas to Kiev? How will politics, technology and legislation influence the access to, and cost of, the Net? How can the potential of this powerful medium be fully realized? FidoNews 10-01 Page 12 4 Jan 1993 International Data Flow Chair - George Trubow, John Marshall Law School The trans-border flow of information on international computer networks has been a concern for governments and the private sector. In addition to concerns for privacy and data security, the economic and national security implications of this free flow of information among scientists, engineers and researchers around the world are also cause for concern. This session will assemble a number of speakers to compare the various perspectives on the problem Some of the Speakers in the CFP'93 Main Program: Phillip E. Agre, Dept. of Communication, Univ. of California, San Diego Jonathan P. Allen, Dept. of Information & Computer Science, University of California, Irvine Sheri Alpert, Policy Analyst, author: "Medical Records, Privacy, and Health Care Reform" William A. Bayse, Assistant Director, Federal Bureau of Investigation William Behnk, Coordinator, Legislative Information System, State of California Paul Bernstein, Attorney Kate Bloch, Hastings College of the Law Anita Borg, DEC Network Systems Lab Richard Civille, Computer Professionals for Social Responsibility Roger Clarke, Reader in Information Systems, Department of Commerce, Australian National University Dorothy Denning, Chair, Computer Science Department, Georgetown University Janet Dixon, Stanford Linear Accelerator Center Robert Edgar, Simon and Schuster Technology Group Kathleen Frawley, American Health Information Management Association Emmanuel Gardner, District Manager, Government Affairs, AT&T Mike Godwin, Staff Counsel, Electronic Frontier Foundation Joe Green, University of Minnesota Sarah Grey, Computer Department, We The People, Brown presidential campaign organization (invited) Will Hill, Bellcore Carl Kadie, Co-editor, Computers and Academic Freedom News newsletter Mitch Kapor, Chairman, Electronic Frontier Foundation David Lewis, Deputy Registrar, Department of Motor Vehicles, Commonwealth of Massachusetts James Love, Director, Taxpayers Assets Project Judy Malloy, Associate Editor, Leonardo Electronic News Irwin Mann, Mathematician, New York University David McCown, Attorney Rob Mechaley, Vice President, Technology Development, McCaw Cellular Communications, Inc. Robert Naegele, Granite Creek Technology Inc., Voting Machine Examiner, FidoNews 10-01 Page 13 4 Jan 1993 consultant to NY State Barbara Peterson, Staff Attorney, Joint Committee on Information Technology Resources, Florida Legislature Jack Reed, Chairman, Information Resource Service Company Virginia E. Rezmierski, Assistant for Policy Studies to the Vice Provost for Information Technology, University of Michigan Jack Rickard, Editor, Boardwatch Magazine Randy Ross, American Indian Telecommunications Roy Saltman, National Institute of Standards and Technology Robert Ellis Smith, Publisher, Privacy Journal David Sobel, Computer Professionals for Social Responsibility Ross Stapleton, Research Analyst, Central Intelligence Agency Jacob Sullum, Associate Editor, Reason Magazine Greg Tucker, Coordinator, David Syme Faculty of Business, Monash University, Australia Joan Turek-Brezina, Chair, Health and Human Services Task Force on Privacy of Private-Sector Health Records Registration: Register for the conference by returning the Conference Registration Form along with the appropriate payment. The registration fee includes conference materials, three luncheons (Wednesday, Thursday and Friday), two banquet dinners (Wednesday and Thursday) and evening receptions (Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday). Payment must accompany registration. Registration Fees are: If mailed by: 7 February 8 March on site Conference Fees: $300 $355 $405 Tutorial Fees: $135 $165 $195 Conference & Tutorial $435 $520 $600 Registration is limited to 550 participants, so register early and save! By Mail: By Fax: (with Check or Credit Card) (with Credit Card only) CFP'93 Registration Send Registration Form 2210 Sixth Street (510) 845-3946 Berkeley, CA 94710 Available 24 hours By Phone: By E-Mail: (with Credit Card only) (with Credit Card only) (510) 845-1350 cfp93@well.sf.a.us 10 am to 5 pm Pacific Time CFP'93 Scholarships: The Third Conference on Computers, Freedom and Privacy (CFP'93) will provide a limited number of full registration scholarships for students and other interested individuals. These scholarships will cover the full costs of registration, including three luncheons, two banquets, and all conference materials. Scholarship recipients will be responsible for their own lodging and travel expenses. Persons wishing to apply for one of these fully-paid registrations should contact CFP'93 Scholarship Chair, John McMullen at: mcmullen@mindvox.phantom.com FidoNews 10-01 Page 14 4 Jan 1993 Hotel Accommodations: The Third Conference on Computers, Freedom and Privacy will be held at the San Francisco Airport Marriott Hotel in Burlingame, CA. This facility is spacious and comfortable, and is easily accessible from the airport and surrounding cities. Because of the intensive nature of the conference, we encourage our attendees to secure their lodging at the conference facility. Special conference rates of $99/night, single or multiple occupancy, are available. Our room block is limited and these conference rates are guaranteed only until 9 February 1993, so we urge you to make your reservations as early as possible. When calling for reservations, please be sure to identify the conference to obtain the conference rate. Hotel Reservations: (415) 692-9100 or (800) 228-9290. Refund Policy: Refund requests received in writing by February 19, 1993 will be honored. A $50 cancellation fee will be applied. No refunds will be made after this date; however, you may send a substitute in your place. Registration Form Name (Please print):__________________________________________________ Title:________________________________________________________________ Affiliation:__________________________________________________________ Mailing Address:______________________________________________________ City, State, Zip:_____________________________________________________ Country:______________________________________________________________ Telephone:_____________________________Fax:___________________________ E-mail:_______________________________________________________________ Privacy Locks: We will not sell, rent, loan, exchange or use this information for any purpose other than official Computers, Freedom and Privacy Conference activities. A printed roster will be distributed to attendees. Please indicate the information you wish to be excluded from the roster: __Print only name, affiliation and phone number __Print name only __Omit all information about me in the roster Registration Fees (please indicate your selections): If mailed by: 7 February 8 March on site Conference Fees: $300__ $355__ $405__ Tutorial Fees $135__ $165__ $195__ Conference & Tutorial $435__ $520__ $600__ FidoNews 10-01 Page 15 4 Jan 1993 If you have registered for the Tutorials, select one from each group: 9:00 AM - 12:00 Noon __Information Use in Private Sector __Constitutional Law for Non-lawyers & Civil-liberties Implications of Computer Searches and Seizures __Access to Government Information __Exploring the Internet 1:30 PM - 4:30 PM __Practical Data Inferencing: What we THINK we know about you. __Telecommunications Fraud __Private Sector Marketplace and Workplace Privacy __SysLaw Payments: Total Amount____________ Please indicate method of payment: __Check (payable to CPF'93) (payment must accompany registration) __VISA __MasterCard Credit card #______________________________Expiration date____________ Name on card__________________________________________________________ Signature_____________________________________________________________ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Zone 1 ZEC Election Rules From: Dave James@1:209/209 Now that all of the REC's have spoken up, 6 have asked me to go ahead with holding an election for ZEC. Article follows. Nominations are open from Jan. 7 at 00:01 PST to Jan. 14 at 23:59 PST. Discussion follows from Jan. 18 at 00:01 PST to Jan. 28 at 23:59 PST. Voting period will be from Feb. 01 at 00:01 PST to Feb. 5 at 23:59 PST. Term of office is one year from date elected. Requirements: ------------- Any Zone 1 SysOp listed in the Jan. 8th, 1993 Nodelist is eligible to be nominated. FidoNews 10-01 Page 16 4 Jan 1993 All nominations MUST include a note from the nominee, accepting the nomination. Only RECs are eligible to vote so be sure to let yours know how you feel. The RECs will have one vote each and will consult their region to see how to cast it. Notifications: -------------- This election announcement posted in FidoNews and Z1_ELECTION echo on Jan. 4. The nominees will be posted in FidoNews and Z1_ELECTION echo on Jan. 18 Results posted in FidoNews and Z1_ELECTION echo on Feb. 8. Notes: ------ RECs are encouraged to cross post into their respective local RGNal echos. Send your nominations, in net mail, to Dave James at 1:209/209. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- by Glen Johnson 1:2605/269 Media Executive Rejected in bid for Zone Coordinator - Part III Hello folks! Now let's see, where were we ... Oh yes! Thanks for all the netmail; keep those cards and letters coming. I'm happy to say I've heard from the sysops in many nets; thanks to EVERYONE that wrote, keep it up! Oh yeah, I guess I should mention that I've also heard from a contingent in Zone 2 as well. Well, hidden deep in the bowels of last week's nodediff, you'll find a note that says the RCs just can't seem to settle on a replacement for Zone 1 Coordinator. So, they've decided to stop trying to break their 5-5 tie. Well, like I said in LAST week's Fidonews, maybe if the field of candidates weren't so LIMITED, they'd have an easier time of it. FidoNews 10-01 Page 17 4 Jan 1993 The note, apparently from George Peace, which Tom Jennings was good enough to reproduce in Fidonews, else noone would have ever seen it, went on to say that "my rules have been appropriately discarded". Gee whiz, now I wonder what THAT means? Does that mean that sysops are going to be allowed to vote? Or does it mean that we are going to be allowed to run for ZC? Now one thing we CAN'T let 'em get away with is letting them USE US to break their tie FOR them. If they say that sysops can vote, but you gotta vote for one of the candidates we give you, what good is that? Oh its good for THEM allright. That way they could shut us up by saying they gave us a say in the matter, while at the same time, still restricting the field to current or former RCs. Nope. Don't buy it. Oooh. Maybe they'll go the OTHER way! Maybe they'll let a grunt sysop like Rich Wood run, but limit the voting to just the RCs! Hey, THAT'D be a neat trick, wouldn't it?? "Ok Rich you can run. Oops! Sorry Rich, we don't want you; you lose. Now get lost". Nice try. That ain't gonna work either. Wanna know what's REALLY going on? Me too. If you ask OUR RC what's going on, he tells you to read Fidonews. He's a real full-disclosure kinda guy. Doesn't even tell the NCs of his region what he's up to. I got a great idea! Perfect compromise. See, us low life sysops have the nerve to want to choose our coordinators. And a bunch of coordinators want to continue the tradition of appointing each other. So how about if the RCs APPOINT Rich Wood ZC! That'd make THEM happy, right? And with Mr. Wood as ZC, that'd be the LAST time anyone gets APPOINTED ZC, I guarantee it. Hehehe. Somehow, I don't think they'll want to pull their own plugs by appointing Rich Wood though. Pity. Now I'll try to stop being sarcastic for just a wee bit and see if I can dissect this for everyone. Nobody, or let's say, the sysops, really have any idea WHY George Peace wants out. And we don't really care. Fact is, he wants out. And he wants one of his "own kind" to take over. And I believe the majority of his "own kind" think that's a good idea. (What a surprise. Oops, sorry, no sarcasm). Now, hearing of Peace's resignation, and seizing an opportunity to change the system, Rich Wood decides he wants to be Zone Coordinator. The masses hear about this, and think this is a good idea. Rich Wood, grunt sysop, experienced mail hub, current net echo coordinator, head honcho of the WOR Radio Network, tracked down and interviewd by the Wall Street Journal about Fidonet, nice guy, sysop-empowerment/democracy freak, spent his entire professional life in the communications industry, thinks sysops should be allowed to choose who their coordinators are, wants to be Zone Coordinator. This sounds good to sysops. FidoNews 10-01 Page 18 4 Jan 1993 But the current ZC doesn't think this is a good idea at all. He completely ignores Rich's qualifications and rejects him because he's not a Region Coordinator. He's a firm believer in coordinators coming from the level directly below. After all, THOSE people have DEMONSTRATED their ability to handle such a DIFFICULT JOB, right? Of course, Rich makes decisions on a daily basis that affect people's lives, incomes and entertainment. But that's no demonstration of your ability to be a FIDONET ZONE COORDINATOR AND RUN MAKENL! (damn, I *AM* a sarcastic SOB aren't I?). Well, GUESS WHAT? See, if its SO IMPORTANT that higher level coordinators are chosen from the ranks of LOWER LEVEL coordinators, *I* would like to know how our exalted Zone Coordinator got to BE Zone Coordinator in the first place! In order to be a ZC, according to his rules, you gotta be an RC first, right? Ok. Well then doesn't it stand to reason that in order to be an RC you have to be an NC first? Makes sense, doesn't it? OOPS! It seems our ZC was NEVER a net coordinator before he became RC! FOR *SHAME*! Tsk tsk tsk. Guess those ideas about coming up through the ranks applies to everyone but him, huh! Well, let's all send a netmail to 'ol George at 1:1/0 and tell him what bus to get on. Hey George! Us peons want a highly qualified FAIR AND HONEST person for Zone Coordinator. We want someone that's one of us, that has OUR best interest at heart. We want an NON-FIDO POLITICIAN. We DON'T want someone that favors his buddies or a particular class of Fidoperson. We want RICH WOOD. Are you paying attention?? We'll see ... Oh yes. The John Souvestre thing. I got two netmails from people chastising me for beating on John Souvestre in my last article. I wanna clarify why I did what I did, and what has developed since. See, Souvestre threw two people out of the ZEC conference for talking about ZC elections. Me & Big Mouth Bob Moravsik. He threw us out illegally (cuz the rules say you gotta provide two netmail warnings first. He didn't do that). That's why I dumped on him. Power mongers are real easy to spot. Now, Marge Robbins apparently is the co-moderator of that conference. She's identified as such in the latest Elist. She's been telling Moravsik that he's gonna stay out of the conference until he files an OFFICIAL APPEAL with her, then she'll "investigate" . Hehehehe. This gets good. Turns out, 'ol Margie knew from the VERY BEGINNING that Souvestre illegally cut the links, and has been working hard to cover it up! Yep. She confided in a friend; told her the whole story. And that friend SQUEALED ON HER! Yep. That friend posted a big 'ol giant message in a public conference telling everyone how Margie called her up, told her Souvestre screwed up, and didn't know what to do about it. So of COURSE, instead of just fixing it, she proceeded to FidoNews 10-01 Page 19 4 Jan 1993 COVER JOHN'S BUTT. Can't embarass the Great FidoGod that runs the Southern Star Backbone System now CAN we? And Margie has the nerve to tell Bob Moravsik to file an appeal with her, and she'll investigate, and RULE on it? Hahahahaa!!! I'm sure she'll have NO TROUBLE investigating being that she was IN ON IT all along. Whew! Anyway, that's all I'm gonna say about Margie & Johnny. Its really just a side issue. But it IS humorous to watch control freaks squirm when you corner them :) I'll leave you with this thought ... I can't TELL you HOW MANY TIMES I've been told by "big shots" in Fidonet that the average sysop DOESN'T CARE about democracy. They don't CARE who runs Fidonet or how they get there. And you know what? That's ABSOLUTELY TRUE. Most sysops couldn't give a fuzzy rats ass how things operate. But that doesn't give YOU license to use that as an EXCUSE to dominate the people that DO. Drop me a line and tell me what YOU think. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- By Shawn K. Quinn (1:106/7550, skquinn@urchin.fidonet.org) The Events in the ZEC Echo First off, let me correct/comment on what Glen Johnson submitted to the last FidoNews of 1992. His comments included the following (rewrapped at 70 characters): GJ> But I *DO* want to warn you lowly sysops about WHERE you voice GJ> your opinion on this issue! *I* just received the dubious honor of GJ> being cut from the ZEC conference for discussion ZC elections! GJ> They said it was off-topic. Funny, the last TWO Zone Echo GJ> Coordinators were APPOINTED (oops, there we go with that GJ> appointment stuff again!) by the ZC, so I'd think there'd be a GJ> pretty CLOSE RELATIONSHIP there, don't you?? Don't matter though GJ> ... Notice that Glen admitted to posting in the ZEC echo about ZC elections, EVEN THOUGH HE KNEW IT IS OFF-TOPIC. IMHO, who appoints the ZEC is irrelevant here. It is the ZEC echo, not the ZC_ELECTION_BULLSH*T echo. Marge Robbins, who has been recognized as the ZEC Co-moderator for quite some time, appointed John Souvestre as temporary moderator of the echo until Marge recovered from illness I believe. In regards to Glen's other comments (again re-wrapped): FidoNews 10-01 Page 20 4 Jan 1993 GJ> Me, and another famous Big Mouth, Bob Moravsik, were yanked from GJ> the conference by JOHN SOUVESTRE. Souvestre claims he's the GJ> moderator of the ZEC conference, and has the authority to throw us GJ> out. Later comments include the fact that neither John Souvestre nor Marge were listed as moderators of the ZEC echo. This was due to a software glitch, which has since been corrected, I believe. The fact remains that Marge is the co-moderator, and has been since I left FidoNet back in April of this year, at least. Whether or not the ELIST software belched doesn't matter. MARGE IS THE CO-MODERATOR. The real moderator is the ZEC, but there isn't one right now, probably because the new ZC will appoint one, or call for an election of one. It was stated several times that the ZC election would be on-topic in the SYSOP echo. What I feel REALLY stinks is the fact that the NEC asked the moderator why the link should be cut, and had the guts to tell the moderator to "GO POUND SALT." I would NOT want that person as NEC of MY net for sure. Eighty-eight SysOps lost their link because the NEC and REC and whoever else doubted the authority of the moderator over HIS CONFERENCE. Let this be a lesson to those NECs who will dare to tell a moderator to "GO POUND SALT" that it is not tolerated very long in several nets, including FidoNet and (of course, you knew I was going to say this) DuckNet. GJ> Hey, why not make this Souvestre guy Z1C?? That's the kind of guy GJ> we want, right?? A total dictator that admits it! Yeah!!! An attempt at satire. A really bad one, but an attempt nevertheless. GJ> Anyway, the REASON Rich Wood enjoys popular support, is because HE GJ> supports checks and balances so that people like Souvestre can't GJ> go on a rampage like this unchecked. People like that MUST be held GJ> accountable to the rank and file. I was personally annoyed, almost EXCESSIVELY ANNOYED (BIG HINT), at what was posted in the ZEC echo that *I* thought was off-topic. I pay to move this cr*p around, and I don't like to see my money wasted. Souvestre did his best to restore ORDER in the ZEC echo, instead of the total PANDEMONIUM going on previously. In short, I support democracy in FidoNet, but I disapprove of how the Rich Wood for ZC movement is being handled. Posting of off-topic material in an echo has ruined a couple of organizations I have been a part of, and I have no desire to have it occur three times. Replies to the address at the top of this article, flames to /dev/null. SKQ FidoNews 10-01 Page 21 4 Jan 1993 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- A Perfect Fidonet by David Conger Lately, all I've been reading about is the ZC1 election. It seems that mudslinging isn't just in the political parties. Now it extends to Fidonet. Well, I realize that our ancestors fought for our freedom of speech, but then I think our ancestors had a lot more manners then we did. They may have been a bit crude, but they did manage to get it done. I read in the latest fidonet news about how George Peace said that a RC or previous RC should get his job. Well Mr. Peace, if your concerned about the position being filled, why leave in the first place? You must have done something right or you wouldn't have lasted this long. We appreciate your concern, but most of us are big boys and girls now, making everyday life decisions. I'm sure that we can pick our new ZC1 ourselves. Because of your narrow minded attitude toward this, we may not get the right person for the job. It's like your telling us that out of almost 25,000 nodes, only a handful should be considered . Is that really fair? When you leave, we're the ones that suffer or applaud your sucessor. Since it's our necks in the noose, shouldn't we be allowed the chance to put it there ourselves, or have you decided that what our ancestors died for is a worthless cause now that we're in the 90's. Come on George, give us a chance. Further on I read an article written by someone that is trying to make a ridicule of Fidonet. I know we have some problems, but the way you approached it made me feel that you were more of a raving lunatic. You looked more ridiculous than the person that you were commenting about. I would have to think twice about the person who you were supporting. You were my first impression of him, and all you did was rant, rave, complain, and ridicule. It might have not been as exciting to just state your case and offer your solution, but I think I would have received it better. I truly believed you were wronged, and I believe the gentleman that wronged you was wrong. But you did no better than he did with your comment. I wish we could do less politicing and more personalization. But it any organization where popular support is needed, you will always have politics. It seems that our volunteer organization has grown up. Are we going to be good parents and nurture it, or see what we can gain from it? I would like to see our organization be the best that it can be. We need a leader that can work with even the hardest to get along people. Someone who can make a diplomat out of dictator. Someone that can sell ice cubes to Eskimos. Someone who can bring a nationally scattered group of individuals together to function as one entity, and since Superman isn't available, it will have to be one of us. But whoever it is, I hope we will have the chance to acknowledge in some way that they are the person that we want to represent and be responsible for us. FidoNews 10-01 Page 22 4 Jan 1993 Sincerely, David Conger 1:130/903 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Rick Richard 1:106/461 Well another year has passed and it's about time for me to get on my saddle and take to the Salt Grass Trail Ride again. This is my yearly communion with nature. The Salt Grass Trail is a route taken by our ancestors in their quest for the big bucks in the selling of cattle in Houston, Tx. It is approximately 60 miles long and takes two weeks on horse back now. That's because we just play alot and don't do alot of cattle business. The real cowboys drove cattle for about 150 miles to Houston and only made about 15 miles aday. All for very little money. This my account of last years ride. Now here's my horse and me walking along all depressed because my portable phone won't connect to my notebook computer. I'm growing more and more agitated as the ride progresses, I can't get my EchoMail! Dog Gone it! Dash Burn it! I'm a rootin tootin cowboy on the FidoNet range but can't even get a carrot of echo for my horse and me. We stop nightly in pastures owned by ranchers to bed down our horses and ourselves and of course to eat, get drunk and carouse the nights away two stepping and cotton eye joe ing.(that's dancing for you city folks). On the third night I found what I was looking for! A rancher with a computer and modem. It took the better part of an hour to convince him that I wasn't going to trash his Breeder program by calling my home system and downloading my mail. You know how computer novices are. I got thru on the first try (I had my horse's shoe for good luck, cause my system is very busy). So I pick up my mail and copy by floppy to my notebook and mosey on back to the campfire. Ah computer bliss! I read the FidoNews, catch up on my personal stuff and then realize that I have no way to place my replies in the Fido loop. $#%*&&@. The rancher is gone and there's nothin' I can do but press the save key and drift off to sleep under the stars and sweet perfume of horse and cattle.(pew wee!) I awake the next morning to find the friendly rancher is gone to town and we're movin' out before he'll be back. What to do, what to do... I saddle up and strap my trusty notebook in my saddle bags in hopes of a chance at another rancher's PC. You must remember that after 4 days of no mail a man gets pretty lonely with just his horse to comfort him, and I just got a taste of the echo but no reply would be like sex with no orgasm. I just had to find a way to input my mail some- where. FidoNews 10-01 Page 23 4 Jan 1993 As luck would have it we stopped at a feed store on the highway for supplies and low and behold and PC was sitting on the owners desk. I couldn't believe my eyes, a hick town with a pc at the feed store. I guess technology is everywhere. But alas even though the owner agreed to let me use it, it had no modem. Well being a pc cowboy you have to be prepared so I whipped out my swiss army knife and dis-assembled my notebook and robbed the modem. Next time I'll take a pocket modem. I shoved it in the pc and quickly transferred the communcation program as I was about to be left by the Trail Boss. I logged on to the first BBS that my dialer program hit and uploaded my replies. WoW! what a feeling of self worth and importance. When I got home I realized that two weeks of cowboying is underated. It can be more fun than shootin flies off the barn, but it ain't no match for Modeming Along and Singin' my Song on FidoNet. So come on you lonesome cowboys join in the fracaous and get yourself a notebook computer (with a pocket modem) for those days when your the deer and the antelope just don't fill your boots with fun and cows just remind you that your eating beans tonight instead of steaks. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- By: Rob Butler 1:124/3109 All this political crap in Fidonet Its been a while since I've written anything for Fidonews or otherwise, primarily because I'm senile at 21... Why am I writing it now? Because Cheers is a re-run, and I've basically got nothing better to do right now at this point in my life. That, and the fact that I'm sick of all the political turmoil that is threatening to turn Fidonet (primarily zone1, which is what I'm concerned with most :-) over on its collective behind. I mean, come on, guys.. Get some Perspective.. This is a hobby! -- Notice that I haven't said who is in need of some adjustment yet. Hint. The lower half of the alphabet (Z, R, and NC) has got some problems. They're tight fisted (substitute your favorite 5 letter word beginning with 'a' for "fisted") hippocrates who have delusions of godhood and other stuff like that. Its a "good-old-boy" club that is impossible to get into unless you "have connections". The other people not mentioned here also fall into the lower half of the alphabet (Sysops, Users, etc...) They lack perspective, and don't have either the experience or dedication that those other guys have. They have little idea of the effort and EXPENSE necessary to get a system setup and running reliabily (did I mention expense?) Well, if you've read this far and still haven't hit the pg-dn a few times, I've basically said everything I wanted to (remember the limited attention thing that Ross Perot challenged? Get your point across in the first few paragraphs...) FidoNews 10-01 Page 24 4 Jan 1993 Where do I get off telling both sides they've got a serious additude problem? I don't (as I'm sure some amusing netmail will tell me.) However, I do have extensive experience on both sides... I'm a common, do-nothing peon sysop in Fido; I'm also a ZC, RC (two nets) and NC (also for two nets.) I've been doing all this for quite some time now, and I can tell you that it is _very_ tempting (esp if I use my ZC aka) to tell one of the little weinie boards to get it through their thick skulls and get their system setup correctly, OR ELSE! . I've also been the victim of a co-ordinator like that before, and its not fun. Again, (and for the last time because I'm sick of writing and there's a Twilight Zone on I haven't seen) Get some Perspective! Personally, I'd just _love_ to begin to work my way up through the ranks of Fidonet and start smacking some people upside the head and asking them why they are such asses. later..... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- By Gary Gilmore 1/2410/400 FidoNet... Fat-Free? (FidoNet Lite?) Well, here we are, 1993. Fight-o-Net begins yet another year. Peace on earth, excepting the places that modems reach, or so it appears. Say, look at the Nodelist lately? Yippie! We have MORE confusing flags! Let's have a look: HST USR Courier HST H14 USR Courier HST 14.4 H16 USR Courier HST 16.8 This -is- getting a little ridiculous, isn't it? What's next? FAX Modem with fax ability HSCORP Hayes 9600 with a Scorpio sysop? Wouldn't it have been a little less confusing to do these like this? HST USR Courier HST DS4 USR Dual Standard 14.4 DS6 USR Dual Standard 16.8 FidoNews 10-01 Page 25 4 Jan 1993 It's bad enough that the nodelist is swelling like a pregnant whale, but do we really need things like this? (below, from the nodelist) ;S The following flags define the type(s) of compression of mail ;S packets supported. ;S ;S Flag Meaning ;S ;S MN No compression supported Please, shoot me now! Who, other than the nodes hub, really needs to know this? Do you get mail packets from people that you don't know? (Me either...) More wasted space. Agreed, we DO need to define some things that have been neglected, but I think there's better ways. When are we going to see a 14,400 flag?? And please, if/when we get those, I'd like to propose they be "14.4k" or "16.8k" rather than "16800". (After all, we're trying to save space, remember?) How about some other gripes, while I'm at it. I thought, somewhere in the wonderfully vague document that is POLICY4, you had to use your REAL NAME when applying for a node number. It's very interesting to see, in the nodelist, an entire net full of aliases. Even the NC of this (un-named) net uses an alias in the nodelist. Hey, who's letting this by? Specifically, POLICY4 states that you supply "Your name". Well, MY name is on my drivers license. That's the name in my nodelist entry. That should pretty much define "Your name". There's all this yell about trimming down the nodelist, let's start there. I'm sure that "John Doe" takes up less space than "The Exalted Wombat". After we get things in order there, let's cut down on the "The" and "BBS" entries in the nodelist. Now, I have BOTH of these. Why? Because, there's another "Bloom County" in the nodelist, so I have to, to avoid confusion. Really, it all boils down to the NC's. They need to assure the proper flags get assigned to the nodes. No more, no less. (I refer all to the excellent article in FNEWS952 by Nils Hammer...well done!) They also need to be more attentive to nodes that "glitz" up their listings with characters like "*" or ">", etc. Many PVT systems are nothing more than fancy QWK readers for their owners. (Of course, there's no way to prove that, unless we want to appoint a "FidoNet Ghestapo" force... "Cardinal! Get the comfy chair!") While we're all losing weight here... FidoNews 10-01 Page 26 4 Jan 1993 One last note. I'd be ever so happy if some sysops would start paying attention to what their users are doing. I just finished reading one of the more active echos. There was THIRTY-SEVEN replies from one user, all in a row, to ANYthing ANYone said. Ok, that's his right, BUT this user quoted _every_ message, in its entirety, including origin lines! An alert sysop should have caught that, (gently) smacked the user in the back of the head, and told him how impolite it is to over-quote. ("But I can't keep up with everything!", you cry...) If you can't keep an eye on your system, maybe you should pare it back a little. (Or get extra help.) Feel free to send letter bombs, flaming dog feces, etc. to me in Netmail. Cheers! (Remember... vote Powdered Toast Man for ZC!) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- by Lee Woofenden Synthesis, 1:3401/101 (206) 293-8856 The Swedenborgian Ideas Echo (correction) OOPS! In my article on the Swedenborgian Ideas Echo in the December 14 issue of FidoNews (#950), I gave a wrong number for my own BBS at the bottom of the article. The number at the top of the article was correct. I apologize to anyone who tried the wrong number and to whoever has that number for any inconvenience this may have caused. Here, again, are the BBSs that carry the SWEDENBORG echo, with their right numbers: Synthesis Guemes Island, WA (206) 293-8856 (1:3401/101) Electronic Educator Washougal, WA (206) 837-3299 (1:105/114) The Magic Bus Royal Oak, MI (313) 544-3653 (1:120/418) In the past few weeks, we've been talking about the meaning of Christmas, the relationship between science and religion, the creation of the universe, the differences between men's and women's minds, and various other topics. 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