F I D O N E W S -- Vol.10 No.25 (21-Jun-1993) +----------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ | A newsletter of the | | | FidoNet BBS community | Published by: | | _ | | | / \ | "FidoNews" BBS | | /|oo \ | +1-519-570-4176 1:1/23 | | (_| /_) | | | _`@/_ \ _ | Editors: | | | | \ \\ | Sylvia Maxwell 1:221/194 | | | (*) | \ )) | Donald Tees 1:221/192 | | |__U__| / \// | Tim Pozar 1:125/555 | | _//|| _\ / | | | (_/(_|(____/ | | | (jm) | Newspapers should have no friends. | | | -- JOSEPH PULITZER | +----------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ | Submission address: editors 1:1/23 | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Internet addresses: | | | | Sylvia -- max@exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca | | Donald -- donald@exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca | | Tim -- pozar@kumr.lns.com | | Both Don & Sylvia (submission address) | | editor@exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | For information, copyrights, article submissions, | | obtaining copies and other boring but important details, | | please refer to the end of this file. | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ ======================================================================== Table of Contents ======================================================================== 1. Editorial..................................................... 2 2. Articles...................................................... 2 "Former-Yugoslavian Relief Effort".......................... 2 HAM Packet<==>Internet Gateway.............................. 3 CD_BST *.................................................... 4 An Open Letter to Joe Sysop................................. 4 Perot Echo Grows, New Conferences Added..................... 5 The H-Net RAP!.............................................. 6 The Global Community........................................ 7 note from Tom Jennings...................................... 8 Law and Order Echo.......................................... 8 3. Fidonews Information.......................................... 9 FidoNews 10-25 Page: 2 21 Jun 1993 ======================================================================== Editorial ======================================================================== Here we are in FidoLand once again. What's the diff' 'tween the snooze, and most other papers, aside from its unsuitability for wrapping garbage neatly?: That's entirely up to all of us. ..read recently of an older echo being used interestingly as a medium for cooperative creation. Apparently some dadaist-minded Frank Zappa enthusiasts are spinning tales into echos for their and others' amusement...makes me wonder what will become of "the" artistic ego, when it is shared freely among many. What happens when artistic movements happen inside a REALLY FAST medium with no cencorship? ...a reminder to excitable capitalists: FidoNews still does *not* publish commercial advertisements. ======================================================================== Articles ======================================================================== "Former-Yugoslavian Relief Effort" "Former-Yugoslavian Relief Effort" 57 Hasell Street Charleston, S.C. 29401 (803) 577-6286 or 853-3180 WE NEED YOUR HELP! The current conflict in the former Yugoslavia has given rise to Europe's worst humanitarian crisis since World War Two: 50,000 Rape Victims 150,000 Killed 3,000,000 Displaced Refugees The "Former-Yugoslavian Relief Effort" is a grass-roots, non- profit, non-partisan humanitarian organization sponsored by the Palmetto Project. It was established May 1, 1993 as an emergency response to the tragedy in the former Yugoslavia. Thus far, various hospitals in the Charleston community have made generous donations of medical supplies. The "Former- Yugoslavian Relief Effort" hopes to gather a total of 32,000 pounds of medical supplies, food and other vital essentials. The supplies will be distributed by the International Rescue Committee based throughout the former Yugoslavia. The target date for shipment is mid-August. The "Former-Yugoslavian Relief Effort" needs material donations as well as monetary donations in order to purchase additional medical supplies which cannot be donated. FidoNews 10-25 Page: 3 21 Jun 1993 Please help the "Former-Yugoslavian Relief Effort" help others! If you would like to make a donation or offer any assistance, you may contact the "Former-Yugoslavian Relief Effort" at: (803) 577-6286 or 853-3180 Please ask for Ms. Melek Zimmer, President of "Former- Yugoslavian Relief Effort". ----- Information provided by Mike Ratledge of 1:372/6666 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- HAM Packet<==>Internet Gateway HAM Packet<==>Internet Gateway Fredric L. Rice, RCSG The Skeptic Tank 1:102/890.0 HAM Radio operators may send and recieve Internet mail providing the message text is in keeping with the Internet guidelines and FCC rules. (Mail is not read by myself unless the mail is undeliverable -- please: no sensitive mail should be sent; we're not a private environment here.) Send packet mail to KC6EFH@WB6YMH.#SOCAL.CA.USA.NA. Within the message text include a "To: " keyword follwed by the Internet address. Save the message and that's all that is needed. (Before you send mail, by the way, send a message to WB6YMH expressing gratitude at allowing KC6EFH to gate from his system.) Send Internet mail to packet@f890.n102.z1.fidonet.org. Within the Internet message text, include a "return: " keyword followed by the Packet address. (All messages from Packet to Internet have the "return: " keyword provided by the gateway software automatically so that the Internet Destination User will know the Packet address the message came from.) Messages from Packet which do not have a valid To: statement anywhere in them will be returned to the Packet operator. Messages from Internet which do not have a valid return: statement anywhere in them will be returned to the Internet operator. In either case, the reason for the bounce will be commented upon. All Packet mail which was undeliverable by the Internet Host will be returned to the Packet Operator with an explanation. All Internet mail which was undeliverable by the Packet Host will be killed and never heard from again. If you're interested in the Gateway software being used, download the file PAK-UUCP.ZIP from The Skeptic Tank 1:102/890.0 (24hour FileRequest.) This is the current version which is running. A new version is to be started after much more testing within three to four FidoNews 10-25 Page: 4 21 Jun 1993 weeks and will be available for download under the same name. This file contains the source code as well as an executable which will probably do you no good as the software is very specific as to the Packet Host systems User Interface. : Fredric Rice - via mcws.fidonet.org Public Access (213)256-8371 : ARPA/INTERNET: Fredric.Rice@f890.n102.z1.fidonet.org : UUCP: ...!{elroy,oxy}!mcws!890!Fredric.Rice : Compu$erve: >internet:Fredric.Rice@f890.n102.z1.fidonet.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------- CD_BST * On both the CD_Echo and the Music echo, the selling of your CD's isn't allowed by the moderators... CD_BST has been created just for that. CD_BST stands for CD's (and records and tapes and VCR tapes, and laser discs, etc) Buying, Selling, or Trading. If you're looking for something that's out of print, only available in Germany,or is just plain hard to find write a message. If you have something that's out of print, only available from across the pond, etc, write a message. The echo is for general information, as well. If you have a complete (or not so complete) discography of a band, and someone wants to know about something, you're more than welcome to list it. The echo is currently flowing through a few systems across the US, and is available to everyone. If you'd like to link up to it, Netmail me at 1:209/216 and we'll set you up. Commercial ads are also welcome... (certain restrictions apply, not valid in every state, minors must get parents permission, actual price may vary, etc) For more info, NETMAIL Gulliver Flynn @ 1:209/216 or FREQ CDBST from me. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- An Open Letter to Joe Sysop David Stark @rochgte.fidonet.org or 1:2613/322. In regard to the article entitled "No Privacy Or Safety For Sysops" in issue 1024 of Fidonews - First, there were too many capitalized words in the title. :-) Second, how does anyone expect the Fido community at large to take an article such as that one seriously? "Joe Sysop" indeed. Where is this incredible breach of privacy and the Constitution (if he/she is located in the USA) taking place? Does "Joe Sysop" have a legitimate beef? Then why are the location and identities of the agencies involved being concealed? FidoNews 10-25 Page: 5 21 Jun 1993 If the story is true as related, I should be seeing it on "20/20" or "60 Minutes" or "Inside Edition" as a classic case of illegal search and seizure. Maybe "Joe Sysop" is really guilty of some crime and is taking out his anger at having been caught by writing inflammatory articles for Fidonews. How about it, "Joe"? Care to tell us who and where you really are, and which Sheriff's Department has so blatantly violated your Constitutional rights? You cite the Steve Jackson Games case. Is your attorney familiar with the ruling? What is your real problem? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Perot Echo Grows, New Conferences Added by Dave Stoddard Status of Fidonet PEROT Echo Hello FidoNet! Since its inception last year, the PEROT echo has enjoyed remarkable growth. Designed as a place to have constructive conversation about the future of this country and how to fix its problems, we are currently active in 32 states and 129 BBS's around the country. We are pleased to announce that two new 'sister' conferences to PEROT are available. As listed in ELIST305, the UWSA and GOV-REFRM conferences are now flowing. Distribution is not backbone at this time, but our hope is that they will be soon. UWSA is dedicated to the United We Stand, America movement, founded by Ross Perot. It is a place to discuss UWSA, and to receive news and announcements. GOV-REFRM is a discussion area for the reform of American Government. It is intended to be non-partisan and constructive. These conferences are available via an arranged feed. Contact the following for more information: Modem Type Name Address ---------- ---- ------- ZyXel Tracy Logan 1:2613/111 V.32bis Jerry Seward 1:2613/333 USR Dual Dave Stoddard 1:2613/101 V.32 Quentin Lewis 1:132/202 V.32bis Bill Starr 1:309/51 Are you mad enough yet? FidoNews 10-25 Page: 6 21 Jun 1993 The H-Net RAP! By Jason Garneau 1:325/304 The H-Net Rap! H-Net, H-Net, is something to see, Many people talking here to you and me. Ask anyone who has seen us, Even you best freind Gus, What is this H-Net about? Gus will say without a doubt, H-Net is the net of handles, and people who love to wear sandles. They have areas to talk about sports, And an area to enquire about local forts. People come from all over the world, to the Pary room, where so many have hurled. Everyone has fun, even past quarter to one. All that's required to join is your local Sysop, Or if that's you, fill out the form, Easier than drinking soda pop! Then you can prove Gus is right, H-Net, is the net for tonight! -------------------------------------- | H-Net Application Form 2.0 | | | |------------------------------------- | SysOp First Name __________________| | SysOp Last Name __________________| | Mother's Maiden name ______________| | BBS Name (To be listed in nodelist)| | ___________________________________| | BBS Phone Number (___)___-____ | | City __________________| | State (Province) __________________| | Country __________________| | Fidonet Address (if one) | | _:____/____ | | Modem Protocols (X 'em): | | ( ) HST ( ) V32 ( ) V32Bis | | ( ) V42 ( ) V42Bis ( ) PEP | | ( ) CSP ( ) MNP ( ) Pvt | | ( ) CM ( ) XA ( ) XX | | ( ) 2400 Only | | ( ) Other: ________________________| | | -------------------------------------- Please call back in 48 hours, to receive your node number and possibly flowers. During this time you may preform a FREQ, of HNETMEMB.ZIP is the name, so to speak. We hope you like H-Net, the net so great, FidoNews 10-25 Page: 7 21 Jun 1993 You will be using it instead of watching TV at 8. Good-bye for now as we go, We realised we never said "hello" Too bad, I say, right now, Please, man, don't have a cow! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Global Community The Global Community - A Step in Social Evolution by Alexander Vollmer (2:247/202.0) Close your eyes, give your brain a kick and leave your body for a little journey into cosmic space. But stop near the moon, look back and recognize that little brown, grey and blue ball. Yes, that's the Earth, a small planet and a nip of cosmic existence. Now you are prepared, go back and think about email as an important step on the way from isolated citizenship to global community. If you cover the node number, there is little chance to detect the geographic origin of a message nor the nationality, religion or gender of the writer. And most people act in that manner, ignoring all these differences, except that messages must belong to the subject of the echo. Fidonet is a real success of social evolution. We all should appreciate that; it's part of real life outside the virtual reality of FidoNet. But where are the schools, sister city commitees, and others? Are they in FidoNet? Do they have their own network? Do they use email networks to communicate and to come closer? Lets look for these people and ask them to join the networks. Talk to your teacher, relatives in foreign countries and contact your business partners all over the world. We need help from our administrations to get the possibilities of free communication between the third world and the existing networks. Many countries restrict the free use of phone lines and prohibit the uncensored exchange of messages. In additional a couple of countries control the messages and punish the senders for unliked messages. Thats a violation of human rights! Its against the charter of the United Nations! Let us write a letter to the president, prime minister or who ever is the leader of your country and tell him to act against this discrimination. Think of the large increase of russian nodes since the dawn of FidoNews 10-25 Page: 8 21 Jun 1993 glasnost and the active participation of many nodes in the free world. A small number of nodes is to blame for each nation not willing to give their people free access to free communication. I hope the way to the global community is not as long as the way from here to eternity. We can shorten that way in helping the third world join FidoNet and spreading free and uncensored communication arround the world. Another way to prohibit free communication are high phone rates, but that's another story. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- note from Tom Jennings Can you forward a message to that author the one that just got busted? Simply tell 'em to contact the EFF. If that's a problem, I can do it if he can't (I presume the author's male). I'll preserve the authors anonymity (I swear) if it's even necessary for me to have it at all (with them willing of course). They can call voice, in DC. I believe the Boston office is closed/moved now. "Electronic Frontier Foundation" or email me. I forwarded that fidonews to eff@eff.org with a short note. -- Tom Jennings - tomj@wps.com - World Power Systems - San Francisco,Calif. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From : Larry Lucas, 1:356/33 [Tuesday May 18 1993 20:54] Law and Order Echo There's a new echo out there on the Backbone. Known as LAW_&_ORDER, it's roots run deep on the Southern Coast of Oregon. This echo started out years ago on a local Bulletin Board and involved a Trooper with the Oregon State Police answering questions relating to law enforcement and the law in general. After initial good sucess on this small Bulletin Board, the echo was revamped to be geared towards Demand Reduction, a fancy title to put out current information on the use and abuse of narcotics and dangerous drugs. Approximately two years ago, the Moderator decided to try and expand the echo and so was born LAW_&_ORDER. The echo was then picked up at the local community college and has had a permanent home there ever since. In the two years it has been running, the idea of the echo has remained the same. To disburse current information to both police officers and civilians alike in the things that touch most all of us sooner or later. Examples of this are ways to protect your children, ways to protect your home, discussions on the "War on Drugs", Fish and Wildlife laws, discussions of motor vehicle laws, general law and other topics relating to law FidoNews 10-25 Page: 9 21 Jun 1993 enforcement in general. Police Officers involved have enjoyed researching topics and answering questions asked by other participants. The echo has expanded throughout Oregon, into Washington, Arkansas, Louisiana and others. The Moderator has received requests for this echo from numerous others in States not yet receiving it. It is anticipated that Backbone support will greatly expand the participants and the discussions. Currently, the echo has participants with a wide variety of views and who express them very well, indeed. Those wishing to participate in a lively echo are invited to check out LAW_&_ORDER. As with police work itself, the Moderator guarantees you will not be bored. We look forward to hearing from you and discussing most any law enforcement topic you care to throw out. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ======================================================================== Fidonews Information ======================================================================== ------- FIDONEWS MASTHEAD AND CONTACT INFORMATION ---------------- Editors: Sylvia Maxwell, Donald Tees, Tim Pozar Editors Emeritii: Thom Henderson, Dale Lovell, Vince Perriello, Tom Jennings IMPORTANT NOTE: The FidoNet address of the FidoNews BBS has been changed!!! Please make a note of this. "FidoNews" BBS FidoNet 1:1/23 BBS +1-519-570-4176, 300/1200/2400/14200/V.32bis/HST(DS) Internet addresses: Don & Sylvia (submission address) editor@exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca Sylvia -- max@exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca Donald -- donald@exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca Tim -- pozar@kumr.lns.com (Postal Service mailing address) (have extreme patience) FidoNews 172 Duke St. E. Kitchener, Ontario Canada N2H 1A7 Published weekly by and for the members of the FidoNet international amateur electronic mail system. It is a compilation of individual articles contributed by their authors or their authorized agents. The contribution of articles to this compilation does not diminish the FidoNews 10-25 Page: 10 21 Jun 1993 rights of the authors. Opinions expressed in these articles are those of the authors and not necessarily those of FidoNews. Authors retain copyright on individual works; otherwise FidoNews is copyright 1993 Sylvia Maxwell. All rights reserved. Duplication and/or distribution permitted for noncommercial purposes only. For use in other circumstances, please contact the original authors, or FidoNews (we're easy). OBTAINING COPIES: The-most-recent-issue-ONLY of FidoNews in electronic form may be obtained from the FidoNews BBS via manual download or Wazoo FileRequest, or from various sites in the FidoNet and Internet. PRINTED COPIES may be obtained from Fido Software for $10.00US each PostPaid First Class within North America, or $13.00US elsewhere, mailed Air Mail. (US funds drawn upon a US bank only.) BACK ISSUES: Available from FidoNet nodes 1:102/138, 1:216/21, 1:125/1212, (and probably others), via filerequest or download (consult a recent nodelist for phone numbers). A very nice index to the Tables of Contents to all FidoNews volumes can be filerequested from 1:396/1 or 1:216/21. The name(s) to request are FNEWSxTC.ZIP, where 'x' is the volume number; 1=1984, 2=1985... through 8=1991. INTERNET USERS: FidoNews is available via FTP from ftp.ieee.org, in directory ~ftp/pub/fidonet/fidonews. If you have questions regarding FidoNet, please direct them to deitch@gisatl.fidonet.org, not the FidoNews BBS. (Be kind and patient; David Deitch is generously volunteering to handle FidoNet/Internet questions.) SUBMISSIONS: You are encouraged to submit articles for publication in FidoNews. Article submission requirements are contained in the file ARTSPEC.DOC, available from the FidoNews BBS, or Wazoo filerequestable from 1:1/23 as file "ARTSPEC.DOC". Please read it. "Fido", "FidoNet" and the dog-with-diskette are U.S. registered trademarks of Tom Jennings, and are used with permission. Asked what he thought of Western civilization, M.K. Gandhi said, "I think it would be an excellent idea". -- END