F I D O N E W S -- Vol.12 No.48 (27-Nov-1995) +----------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ | A newsletter of the | ISSN 1198-4589 Published by: | | FidoNet BBS community | "FidoNews" BBS | | _ | +1-519-570-4176 | | / \ | | | /|oo \ | | | (_| /_) | | | _`@/_ \ _ | | | | | \ \\ | Editors: | | | (*) | \ )) | Donald Tees 1:221/192 | | |__U__| / \// | Sylvia 1:221/194 | | _//|| _\ / | | | (_/(_|(____/ | | | (jm) | Newspapers should have no friends. | | | -- JOSEPH PULITZER | +----------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ | Submission address: editors 1:1/23 | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | MORE addresses: | | | | submissions=> editor@exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca | | Don -- don@exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca | | Sylvia max@exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | For information, copyrights, article submissions, | | obtaining copies of fidonews or the internet gateway faq | | please refer to the end of this file. | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ ======================================================================== Table of Contents ======================================================================== 1. Editorial..................................................... 2 2. Articles...................................................... 2 TEEN-AIDS Echo.............................................. 2 Hello Donald (& Sylvia!),................................... 2 Job Finder Data Base........................................ 5 This About Region 10........................................ 5 The PRIME Network still going strong........................ 7 New Area Code for Upstate................................... 8 Net241 *sigh*............................................... 8 A Holiday Warning........................................... 11 Valid policies/standards.................................... 11 3. Fidonews Information.......................................... 12 FidoNews 12-48 Page: 2 27 Nov 1995 ======================================================================== Editorial ======================================================================== We have a large issue this week, and I am not up to an editorial, so here it is. ======================================================================== Articles ======================================================================== TEEN-AIDS Echo Ryan Gralinski (1:323/1112) I am an HIV+ 14 year old who contracted the virus through a blood transfusion the day after i was born! and i am trying to start a mail echo called TEEN-AIDS for teenagers to talk about Aids/HIV seperate from AIDS-HIV which is mostly older or gay people! If anybody would be interested in carrying this echo please Email me at 1:323/1112. Thanks in advance! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Hello Donald (& Sylvia!), From: Bob Chapman (1:372/49) First of all, I share your concern that someone could be banned from Fido for making a submission. That's just going TOO far, regardless of the reason! I applaud your stand in this matter & I'm sure most sysops will agree with you. Perhaps one way to prove da Snooze is not to be taken THAT seriously would be to include a funny song to try to lighten the mood in an upcoming issue. I was at a local sysops meeting & the subject of the Snooze came up. That story "X ways to piss off a sysop" was among the most memorable & among the funniest issue was the one that included the song about Steve Winter ("I curse you"). Attached is a re-submission of another funny song about Boardwatch magazine (BW-SONG!.ART) that I sent 1 year ago next week. At first, I was disappointed it never appeared. But, since it included a tagline plug for me in the next Boardwatch 100 BBS Contest, I figured you &/or Sylvia may have objected to the contest &/or thought this was a publicity stunt towards that goal. Since that contest was never actually held, I was kinda glad it didn't run at that time. If you guys think this is just too self-aggrandizing, at face value, it is. The truth is I don't run a "Megaboard" pay system here (just a 1 line freebie). We never had much of a chance at making the Boardwatch 100 anyhow, but ran just for fun anyhow. I know some sysops who bitterly objected to the whole concept. Since that's now history, there probably isn't many who would object to this... FWIW, I faxed a copy of the song to Jack Rickard before FidoNews 12-48 Page: 3 27 Nov 1995 submitting it to you last year, so that if he objected to it for some reason, I could put the brakes on it. Not only did he not object, everyone on the staff got big laugh out of it. There was a typo in the original & I fine-tuned it just a bit more. Here's hoping you'll add this silly ditty in an upcoming issue. We have to try to keep things in perspective. This is an effort towards that goal. :) Thanks! Bob P.S. I'm SO glad that Quebec didn't vote themselves out of Canada! You guys were in our thoughts as that big showdown vote was approaching. (It was CLOSE!) --------------------------------------------------------------------- "ON THE COVER OF BOARDWATCH MAGAZINE" - Lyrics written by Bob Chapman [Sung (& Spoken) to music of Dr. Hook's "COVER OF THE ROLLING STONE"] --------------------------------------------------------------------- (Don't touch my keyboard!) Hey Jack, yeah you Rickard, tell 'em who we are... Well, we're net-famous sysops, we type with golden fingers, and we're loved by all who call in. (That sounds like us!) We offer callers files, and echomail in piles, at rates fast approaching a sin. (Right!) We run all kinds of doors, like we're cyberspace whores, but the thrill we cannot buy, is the thrill that gets 'em, when you get your system, on the cover of Boardwatch Magazine! Boardwatch! Wanna see my system on the cover, Boardwatch! Wanna buy 5 copies for my mother, Boardwatch! Wanna see my modem's lights, on the cover of Boardwatch Magazine! I got a fast-typing lady, named 28.8 Katy, who designs all of my screens. I got a 10 foot satellite dish, sucking down the datastream! FidoNews 12-48 Page: 4 27 Nov 1995 Now, it's all designed, to blow user's minds, but their minds won't really be blown, like the blow that gets 'em, when you get your system, on the cover of Boardwatch Magazine! Boardwatch! Wanna see my system on the cover, Boardwatch! Wanna buy 5 copies for my mother, Boardwatch! Wanna see my modem's lights, on the cover of Boardwatch Magazine! Booting Uppppp!!! BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZT! <--[Sound effect of a MASSIVE short circuit!] (That's OK, I got a backup Pentium.) We got a lot of high-speed teenage groupies, who will upload anything we say. We got Jack as our Internet Guru, he's teaching us a better way. We got all the lines, that money can buy, so we never have to be alone. And we keep getting richer, but we can't get our picture, on the cover of Boardwatch Magazine. Boardwatch! Wanna see my system on the cover, Boardwatch! Wanna buy 5 copies for my mother, Boardwatch! Wanna see my modem's lights, on the cover of Boardwatch Magazine, on the cover of Boardwatch Magazine! [Repeat chorus] Right up front man, I can see it now... There's my opening screen in color, man, "Thoroughly Fascinating"! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- The author's online system, The Earth Art BBS! (1:372/50) 803-552-4389, was featured on the cover of Boardwatch Magazine's November 1992 Issue. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- (Tom Jennings, Fidonet founder, was depicted on the August 1993 cover.) FidoNews 12-48 Page: 5 27 Nov 1995 Job Finder Data Base From: Sorceress (1:163/436) Hi there, Are you searching for work? Considering changing jobs? Want to change your profession completely? Maybe you aren't looking but know someone that is. Perhaps you'd like to offer the service to your users. Send me your resume and I'll enter it into Nu-Job Teck's Resume Data Base. This service is FREE. Confidentiality is guaranteed. The company, which I work for, NU-JOB TECK, is contacted by various businesses when they have a position vacant. Let's say they are looking for programmers. All the programmers' resumes listed in the data base, and in the demographic area requested by the company i.e. city or province, would be forwarded to the company. They in turn may contact you for an interview. This is across Canada. If you are interested in possible relocation mention that in your message. I also need to have the exact name of the position you are looking for. i.e. Programmer, Data Entry, Chef, Janitor, Child Care Worker etc. Saying supervisor or managerial position isn't good enough. Take advantage of this. Any questions just ask. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- This About Region 10 Would The Real RC Please Stand Up by Lyn Borchert (1:300/12) Regarding the recent article from Zorch Frezberg I have a few personal observations and comments. First a brief quote to refresh everyone's mind.. >Subject: Previous Article >From: Zorch Frezberg (1:205/0) > >Dear Sir: > >I submitted an article for publication in FidoNews on the >evening of November 12, 1995. FidoNews 12-48 Page: 6 27 Nov 1995 > >I am formally requesting that this article be retracted and not >published. > >I am making this retraction as I have been informed that the >criticism of the Interim Regional Coordinator, Jeff Reese, his >failure to provide proof of his appointment, and criticism of >Zone Coordinator Bob Satti for failing to notify any other >Region 10 sysop of the appointment, shall constitute "working >against" the Interim Regional Coordinator. I've been a FidoNet Sysop for about 7 years now, and it never ceases to amaze me how things take place in this medium. Looking from the outside of all this (way outside), on the surface it would seem that Mr. Frezberg would be out of line posting a complaint in the FidoNews. After all, the proper procedure for making and dealing with complaints is well spelled out in Policy4 and it does not include posting your complaint in FidoNews. However, for any *C person to threaten someone against posting an informative article in the news prior to its being posted and prior to even knowing the exact content and personality of that article is pure censorship in my opinion. If Mr. Frezberg were merely posting a factual conveyance of the circumstances surrounding his frustration, and worded it in a "matter of fact" like fashion, I don't see how that can be considered "excessively annoying behavior." By the way, there is nothing about "working against" a Regional Coordinator as being excessively annoying in Policy4. On the other hand if Mr. Frezberg were to submit an article worthy of the flame echo, he would be signing his own excommunication papers. So what are the *C's in this situation afraid of? Perhaps they are trying to prevent an all out war in their region. Or perhaps something took place that really shouldn't have and they are trying to cover their butts. At this point, I don't know which it is, but based on the article that did get posted, I'd assume there is something rotten in region 10 and it's not necessarily Mr. Frezberg. I'm not in Region 10, but I'm certainly now very curious about what is going on over there. In my opinion, the powers that prevail over the Region 10 *C structure owe all of us an explanation of what has transpired and what is going to be done about it. Did the *C's over there play dirty pool? Is a cover-up in progress? Can the *C's in my Region pull the same stunt? Or is this all just a big misunderstanding? Seems to me the best thing to do is get it all out in the open and have it over and done with. It's only going to piss people off if the *C structure just flexes its muscles in an attempt to make the problem go away. After all, if all this is about somebody neglecting to inform some people about an appointment, what's the big deal? Fess up that a mistake was made, apologize and let's get on with the business at hand. If too many people whine that an apology isn't good enough then perhaps those people in question should consider resigning due to a lack of FidoNews 12-48 Page: 7 27 Nov 1995 support or popularity. You tell me, is it worth being a *C if the world is constantly working against you? If it were me, I'd hang my hat in a minute. It's a thankless enough job as it is. My whole point here is that it doesn't seem like the people in charge are being very responsible when they make threats like the one mentioned in Mr. Frezbergs article. Failure to notify sysops of an appointment hardly seems just cause to prevent someone telling about it in the news. If they're worried that Mr. Frezberg would tell the story incorrectly then why not just bang out an open letter explaining what really happened? *Cs are there to manage the nodelist and to deal with policy complaints. They are not there to rule the kingdom or win a popularity contest or run for political office. They are people just like you and me and we all make mistakes. Net Wars are a fact of life simply because you can't please all of the people all of the time. -=[ Lyn ]=- 1:300/1 Net 300 NEC 1:300/12 The Hour Glass BBS lynb@rd.net Internet E-Mail ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The PRIME Network still going strong Steve Winter 1:18/98@fidonet Please spread this info around. Thanks!! As featured in Aug '93 BBS Caller's Digest and Dec '93 Online Access *************************************************************** * 'The sun never sets on the PRIME network' * *************************************************************** * PreRapture(tm) International Message Exchange * *************************************************************** (A ministry of the Jesus Name Apostolic Holiness Church Inc.) **** Telnet to PRIME.ORG ***** Hubs in NORTH AMERICA, SOUTH AMERICA, CANADA, EUROPE, and ASIA PRIME really is the Only True Christian worldwide network on earth. Both Religious (Christian) and non-religious conferences. A wholesome, family oriented network with a strict policy against profanity, lewdness, obscenity etc.. Features echos on educational and technical topics. Elaborate Bible Discussion and Debate * False Preachers Exposed 919-286-3962 * 919-286-3606 * 919-286-2100 Using USRobotics Dual Standard Modems V.34-33,600 / HST-16800bps File Request PRIME.ZIP from 1:18/98 or 1:2245/104 for network kit or http://www.prime.org FidoNews 12-48 Page: 8 27 Nov 1995 New Area Code for Upstate From: Daniel Morgan(1:376/194) I thought this would be informative to whoever handles the nodelist for the upstate part of South Carolina. I do know South Carolina is in Fidonet Region 18. Bell South decided to change the area code for the upstate of SC. * Forwarded (from: SC_SYSOP) by Daniel Morgan using timEd/2 1.01. * Originally from Michael Watts (1:3639/63) to All. * Original dated: Oct 30 '95, 12:01 In case you haven't heard, us Upstate folks are getting a new area code, effective Decemeber 3rd, but won't be a mandate untill May 1rst 1996. The new area code is (drum roll)..................864! (replacing 803) Cities this will affect include: Abbeville, Anderson, Belton, Blacksburg, Blue Ridge, Calhoun Falls, Central, Chesnee, Clemson, Clinton, Duncan, Easley, Fountain Inn, Gaffney, Greenville, Greenwood, Greer, Hodges, Honea Path, Inman, Joanna, Landrum, Laurens, Lockhart, Lyman, Mauldin, McCormick, Nintey Six, Pacolet, Pendleton, Pickens, Plum Branch, Salem, Saluda, Seneca, Simpsonville, Slater-Marietta, Starr-Iva, Spartanburg, Tokeena, Townville, Traveler's Rest, Union, Walhalla, Ware Shoals, Welford, Western Laurens, Westminister, Williamston, & Woodruff ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Net241 *sigh* by Sunir Shah Net241 *sigh* INTRODUCTION ------------ Life in Net241 have taken a turn for the worse. Normally I stay above NetPolitics as I tend to think I'm not a complete basement-dwelling melvin, but I must defend democracy wherever possible ... uh, well that's what the government tells me. :) I got inspired to right this article after I read the article in FNEWSC47 about denying a person his right to freedom of expression by way of threats. I'm sick of this fascist crap. Can we all grow up? It's just a hobby but it requires other people to make it work. THE BORING NET241POLITICS TEXT ------------------------------ I'll begin with a bit of background. Recently an election was held (this is how most articles in the Snooze get started) in Net241 because FidoNews 12-48 Page: 9 27 Nov 1995 I and several others called for one. The others called for one a couple weeks before I did, but I called one because our former NC/NEC (same person.. two hats, big head, you know how it works) who had left Fidonet had relisted under a pseudonym in an attempt to stuff the nodelist. Thinking that I was on "his" side, he told me and I decided that he was an idiot. Naturally I blew up and ventured into the evils of NetPolitics. Well, the election when forth and the candidate I nominated and backed got in. Naturally, the balance of power had slightly shifted as the nodelist was stuffed out the wazoo. Well, with this new found power, our former NC/NEC (who had since relisted under his real name) decided to throw out his boogiemen, the "Rat Pack," as he calls them (I'd love to be his shrink) from the administration echo as per the rules. The vote was pushed through quite undemocratically by the new NC. He decided to offer a one day grace period (crash it Friday, elections close on Saturday) while the accused had no access to the echo due to technical difficulties. Simutaneously, our former NC pushed forth a motion to alter the rules about aliases in the echo back to what they were a week before. You see, we had an election just a couple days ago about the matter that allowed aliases to be free in the echo. Not acceptable, cries Dale, so he calls another vote. Apparently a vote doesn't count until it coincides with what Dale thinks. At any rate, both motions were passed and my vote wasn't counted as got in too late because I'm long distance and our NEC won't crash mail to a LD node. I didn't know of the election until it was over. Besides, I have a life and don't wait in my basement for netmail to come through. By the way, our NEC is the ex-NC. Took on the torch without election from Dale. He was the one we kicked out. THE POINT --------- Sadly, no matter what you do, no matter where you go, you'll get lynched. Forget democracy. It's the will of the powerful. Although this is REAListic, it is not IDEAListic. We should all fight the oppression. Onwards to freedom! PROOF OF CHARACTER AND MOTIVES ------------------------------ The following are messages from ADMIN241, the adminstrative echo of Net241. The first shows how Dale Kaechler, the NC/NEC from June, can't let go of his job and insists on having everything his way. The second points how Lintec (Phil Steinke) pushed it through. Motive? Malice towards the Terpstras (the banned sysops). ---[From ex-NC/NEC] Area fido.admin.admin241, Msg#173, 95-11-18 07:37:50 From: Dale Kaechler To: Sunir Shah Subject: Motion FidoNews 12-48 Page: 10 27 Nov 1995 In a msg on <17 Nov 95 16:49>, Sunir Shah of 1:241/11 writes: SS> The alias thing was just voted on. We can't keep voting on it SS> over and over and over. Get over it, people. Until we get it right , it cold take many votes. The change to not identify yourself when using an alias doesn't work in this Net because of some of the assholes in it. Cheers --- Squish v1.11 * Origin: The 19th Hole, 33.6 USR DS V Everything, Petawawa,On (1:241/3) --------------------------------------------------------------------- ---[From current NC] Area fido.admin.admin241, Msg#232, 95-11-20 08:29:00 From: Lintec To: Sunir Shah Subject: Vote Sunir Shah mumbled Thanks a bunch. Lintec replies Sorry dude.. Your vote came in after the polls closed. I wrote the voting message Friday morning, figured it'd get packed out early Sat morning, you'd get it Sat during the day, and have time to crash a vote in before midnight. If you want more time from here on in, just lemme know.. I made it pretty short so we could just get the revote overwith. Phil NC241 --- Heaven [2 Node/ANSi] * Origin: h e a v e n - better than bad, it's good! - 613.732.1616 (1:241/4) ---------------------------------------------------------------- LE FINALE --------- Although I'm sure to stir up even more waves in Net241 (I'm good at that), and even though I'm not a big fan of the sysops who were removed from ADMIN241 by a lynch mob, there are bigger issues at sake. Do we want to have things rammed down our throats by an elite or do we want to be equals? Democracy in action, right? *sigh* Sunir Shah (1:241/11), Net241 SysOp, Internet (don't hurt me): sshah@intranet.on.ca FidoNews 12-48 Page: 11 27 Nov 1995 A Holiday Warning A HOLIDAY WARNING! by Michele Stewart 1:369/21 It's that time of year again... when pleas for charity or chain letters claiming to be able to earn you beaucoup dollars start surfacing. The posting of these messages in most echo's is off-topic, against the rules and, in many cases, illegal... HOWEVER, if someone has a legitimate charity they would like to raise money for, they might ask their echo moderator for permission to post. If the charity can be verified, some moderators will be more than happy to allow a one time posting of your plea. But know that legitimate pleas for financial assistance usually follow some legal path which advises sending money to a trust fund or other charitable institution already known, such as United Way. A legitimate plea for money will NEVER ask that you send it directly to them or a third party that is not an attorney, financial institution or charitable organization. It will almost always ask funds to be sent to the "So and So Trust Fund" or c/o The Red Cross, etc. Already several posts have been seen on the echos requesting money for distressed individuals. Seeing that no trust fund or other legal fund has been established for the receipt of donations would make me think twice about sending money. If you wish to harvest the joys of this holiday season by helping others less fortunate than yourself, then by all means do so. But why not stick closer to home and check with legitimate agencies in your area? Volunteer your time at a hospital. Donate to a local homeless shelter. Send toys, food, clothing or money to the Red Cross, Salvation Army, United Way or the myriad other legitimate organizations out there in true need. Above all, be careful of lining the pockets of greedy thieves who will use your good spirits and charity for their own benefit. Stick with the lawful charities and have a safe and healthy holiday! .\\ichele Stewart (Moderator, MODERATOR, BBSCON, PC_ADDICT) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Valid policies/standards From: Rob Oosten (2:500/100.6047) First I want to compliment you on the extreme objectivity you exert in accepting copy for FidoNews. I will continue to follow the battle for independance and against bigotry as is exhibited by some of the contributors. My question: Could you one way or the other tell me (and perhaps some others) what the valid and applicable policies and standards are for the use of FidoNet? FidoNews 12-48 Page: 12 27 Nov 1995 I've found a multitude (82?) of FSC documents which seem to be -but not always are- proposals for technical standards. I take it that the FTS documents 0001 through 0009 are the final technical standards indeed. There are some duplications but the higher number on the same topic presumably supersedes the others. In addition to Policy4 (latest version 4.07 of June 9, 1989?) there are things like Policy4E (for Europe) and WorldPol3, both apparently proposals. Finally I discovered EchoPol1 (zone 1) and EchoPol2 (zone 2) which look like final documents. I really would appreciate if you could show me the way in this jungle. Cheerio, Rob ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ======================================================================== Fidonews Information ======================================================================== ------- FIDONEWS MASTHEAD AND CONTACT INFORMATION ---------------- Editors: Donald Tees, Sylvia Maxwell Editors Emeritii: Thom Henderson, Dale Lovell, Vince Perriello, Tim Pozar Tom Jennings "FidoNews" BBS FidoNet 1:1/23 BBS +1-519-570-4176, 300/1200/2400/14400/V.32bis/HST(DS) more addresses: Don -- 1:221/192, don@exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca Sylvia- 1:221/194, max@exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (Postal Service mailing address) FidoNews 128 Church St. Kitchener, Ontario Canada N2H 2S4 voice: (519) 570-3137 sylvia: (519) 579-8029 Fidonews is published weekly by and for the members of the FIDONET INTERNATIONAL AMATEUR ELECTRONIC MAIL system. It is a compilation of individual articles contributed by their authors or their authorized agents. The contribution of articles to this compilation does not diminish the rights of the authors. Opinions expressed in FidoNews 12-48 Page: 13 27 Nov 1995 these articles are those of the authors and not necessarily those of FidoNews. Authors retain copyright on individual works; otherwise FidoNews is Copyright 1995 Donald Tees. All rights reserved. Duplication and/or distribution permitted for noncommercial purposes only. For use in other circumstances, please contact the original authors, or the eds. OBTAINING COPIES: The most recent issue of FidoNews in electronic form may be obtained from the FidoNews BBS via manual download or Wazoo FileRequest, or from various sites in the FidoNet and Internet. PRINTED COPIES may be obtained by sending SASE to the above paper-mail address. INTERNET USERS: FidoNews is available via FTP from ftp.fidonet.org, in directory ~ftp/pub/fidonet/fidonews. 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' ' disgreement is actually necessary, or we'd all have to get in fights or semethin to amuse ourselves,, and create the requisite chaos." -Tom Jennings -- END -------------------------------------------------------------------