F I D O N E W S Volume 15, Number 50 14 December 1998 +----------------------------+---------------------------------------+ | The newsletter of the | ISSN 1198-4589 Published by: | | FidoNet community | "FidoNews" | | _ | +27-41-515-913 [5:5/23] | | / \ | | | /|oo \ | | | (_| /_) | | | _`@/_ \ _ | | | | | \ \\ | Editor: | | | (*) | \ )) | Henk Wolsink 5:7104/2 | | |__U__| / \// | | | _//|| _\ / | | | (_/(_|(____/ | | | (jm) | Newspapers should have no friends. | | | -- JOSEPH PULITZER | +----------------------------+---------------------------------------+ | Submission address: FidoNews Editor 5:5/23 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ | MORE addresses: | | | | submissions=> editor@fidonews.org | | hwolsink@catpe.alt.za | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ | For information, copyrights, article submissions, | | obtaining copies of FidoNews or the internet gateway FAQ | | please refer to the end of this file. | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ Table of Contents 1. EDITORIAL ................................................ 1 2. LETTERS TO THE EDITOR .................................... 2 the Tampering of the Elist ............................... 2 Announcing the newly backboned ENGLISH_TUTOR echo! ....... 3 New WWW server ........................................... 4 3. ARTICLES ................................................. 5 ECHOLADE - refreshing echomail ........................... 5 FTSC Administrator vote .................................. 6 FTSC Standing Member vote ................................ 7 Precedent - Must we do it all again? D. Myers ........... 9 4. NET HUMOR ................................................ 10 Student Bloopers ......................................... 10 5. NOTICES .................................................. 14 6. FIDONET BY INTERNET ...................................... 15 7. FIDONEWS INFORMATION ..................................... 18 FIDONEWS 15-50 Page 1 14 Dec 1998 ================================================================= EDITORIAL ================================================================= Greetings, Summer is approaching fast in this part of the world, with a temperature of 22.5 degrees C outside at this time of the night. And inside it's a cool 29 C. Happy reading, ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 15-50 Page 2 14 Dec 1998 ================================================================= LETTERS TO THE EDITOR ================================================================= the Tampering of the Elist by Bob Moravsik Some of you may have read the drivel posted by Douglas Myers trying to justify the tampering of Elist passwords. Most of his article describes the world through the eyes of a person to argues that reality is what he claims. There was no conspiracy to create a trusteeship in FN_SYSOP. The issues was that the FN_SYSOP was held in trust through three past moderators hence, its not a new concept. The real issue (and only issue) is: "Do the Elist keeper resolve disputes ?" Douglas confuses the Elist keeper with a Fidonet position. Fidonet positions are described in Fidonet's policy. The elist keeper is not to be found. Bob Satti place Thom LaCosta in the nodelist as 1/21. The position has no description or "powers". Yet LaCosta puffed up his chest and began making up "policy". He resolved a dispute over an elisting useing LaCostaPol. What's LaCostaPol ? Its this secret set of rules that only Thom LaCosta knows. Whether Zorch or Rob is the moderator is not the issue. The issue is the tampering with the Elist passwords using these secret rules. Since LaCosta's special number was given by Bob Satti any controversies should be resolved by Satti. Remember, Satti could assign the 1/21 number to another and POOFFFFFF ! Not LaCostaPol. There are two sides to this issue. 1. Moderators "control" conferences and the elisting is their property. This is not supported by any Fidonet policy or the laws of any nation (Remember, Fidonet is international) 2. Moderators serve the participants. If one takes the later then the elist password is seperate from the moderator. LaCosta the "tamperer" took it upon himself to resolve in favor of #1. SHOULD HE HAVE RESOLVED ? I claim the Elist keeper should NOT get involved in any disputes over the Elist. Twits like Douglas Myers can't understand this simple issue and try to justify tampering with the passwords on logic that very few people in Fidonet agree with (less then 100% of the moderators) the concept that moderators own conferences. Then don't. There is no policy, rule or law that states this. Without guidance from Satti (who has the power to extend Fidonet policy), LaCosta should not have compromised the Elist security. THAT IS THE ONLY ISSUE. The moderatorship, trusteeship issues etc etc are only smokescreens to justify the tampering. FIDONEWS 15-50 Page 3 14 Dec 1998 The elist should be secure. Tampering with the password once only serves as justification for the second tampering, and the third. Under what conditions you ask ? LaCostaPol of course. I'm sure we will hear more drivel on its OK because __________ Zorch, Satti, Moravsik etc etc etc..... Nope...without a firm method to resolve disputes over elist issues, the elist keeper should NEVER NEVER EVER tamper with the passwords. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Announcing the newly backboned ENGLISH_TUTOR echo! This new echo has been established to assist those who wish to improve their command of the English language. I, the moderator, (Andy Manninger 1:153/831 or andym@lightspeed.bc.ca) encourage all sysops whose users could benefit from this echo to carry it. The ELIST describes ENGLISH_TUTOR as follows: ENGLISH_TUTOR English Tutoring for Students of the English Language This echo should be of interest to those who wish to improve their command of English, and to those who wish to act as their tutors. Participants may submit short texts for critique and discussion by literate English speakers in English-speaking countries. Discussions of points of grammar, usage, standard English and regionalisms are welcome. Moderator can be e-mailed at andym@lightspeed.bc.ca Status: Active Origin: Vancouver, British Columbia, Group: FIDO Distribution: Z1 Backbone; Telnet: bbs.docsplace.org Gateways: Language: # Nodes: N/A Volume: N/A Rules: Flags: Notes: Moderators: Andy Manninger, 1:153/831, andym@lightspeed.bc.ca ----------------------------------------------------------------- * Original message addressed to: Editor. (5:5/23). * Carbon copies sent to: Cindy Ingersoll (1:2623/71). THE MAIL BOX BBS said in a message to ALL: TMBB> TCP/IP accessible node access information should be submitted TMBB> to the FidoNews Editor for inclusion in their Region or Zone. TMBB> -----------oOo------------- I am pleased to announce the availability of filebone and echomail distribution services from 1:106/6018 via VMoTelnet or FTP. Services are free to members of the TCRS CRP and HealthCareNet (Zone 60) Membership in the TCRS CRP is not restricted to Houston-area or FIDONEWS 15-50 Page 4 14 Dec 1998 Net-106 members. TCRS membership includes unlimited echomail/files, shell account and web space on the home.tcrs.org Unix server, a POP3 email account, and access to selected newsgroups. Others are invited to contribute accordingly. :-) I've sent this to both of you via NETMAIL, since it started looking like a recruitment advertisement and I was concerned about it's appropriateness for the NEWSCHAT echo. If you feel it's appropriate to be posted in the NEWSCHAT echo or published in the FidoNews, you have my consent. If you would like me to resubmit the information in ARTSPEC format, I'll be happy to do that if publication seems appropriate for the FidoNews. TMBB> TMBB> Fidonet Via Internet Hubs TMBB> > Node# | Operator | Facilities (*) | Speed | Basic Rate > -----------+-------------------+----------------+-------+-------- 1:106/6018 | Lawrence Garvin | FTP,VMoT | 64K | $5/month ----------------------------------------------------------------- this letter is part English and part Russian-through-English: Eng: I assume there are many student in your community and I want to invite all of them to new Web site: WWW.1800student.com this is the place where students can see-buy their books directly to each other. this site is free. I hope it would be helpful to all students. If you agree with me - you can share this info with all members ----------- Rebiata, ja priglashau vsech vas posetit moi novyi Web site: WWW.1800student.com. eto mesto gde vi mojhete pomeniat uchebniki (na sharu). poka. ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 15-50 Page 5 14 Dec 1998 ================================================================= ARTICLES ================================================================= ECHOLADE - refreshing echomail . -- -- -- -- -- ECHOLADE - -- -- -- -- . | A refreshing extract from Fido's echoes | | Purloined without permission by D Myers | ` -- -- -- -- -- -- - -- -- -- -- -- -- ' Hans Mangold on the subject of the shrinking nodelist: ------------------------------------------------------------------- AS> Will another year and the consistent loss of 40-50 nodes in AS> Zone 1 every week turn a few heads? Sure it will -- but, more important, will it make any difference to the shrinking nodelist? Can I blame the RC, ZC or IC for the lack of callers to my system? Heck, I might as well blame you, Clinton and Santa Claus for the fact that BBS callers are staying away in droves. Andrea, there is little you, I, or anyone else can do at this point in time with regards to the consolidation of the BBS scene. Like it or not, it will take its course. The key is: what will =emerge= after the consolidation? Send me $64 million in unmarked bills, and I'll send you the answer...... In the meantime, something to think about: In most of Z1, unemployment is near or at historic lows. Not only that, but today's work pressure is higher than ever before, and overtime statistics are running near or at historic highs. Running a successful BBS takes =time=, and, given the economic climate in the States, time is presently a genuine luxury for many people. Something has to give -- in most cases, it's the hobby that has to give, =especially= when the sysop looks at his dismal caller logs at the end of the day. :-( I never forget -- almost two years ago, I visited a Book/Magazine-Store with a fellow sysop. The latest Boardwatch magazine had just arrived, and I anxiously flipped through the pages -- imagine my shock when I discovered that this was the first issue which did not have one single BBS-related article or ad. We had seen the writing on the wall before, but that was one heck of a wake-up call, a slap in the face. In view of the realities, my friend, who was running our largest hub at the time, took his system down shortly thereafter; I decided to stay. Different strokes for different folks. Such are the realities of BBS life today, and it makes no difference who or what is sitting in the *C chairs, the BBS scene will unfold itself according to its own dynamics, the rest is nothing but FIDONEWS 15-50 Page 6 14 Dec 1998 wishful thinking. Something about the chairs on the deck of the Titanic comes to mind.... ;-) ----------------------------------------------------------------- FTSC Administrator vote Official announcement - FTSC Administrator vote by Mario Mure', 2:335/533 mure@sistemia.it ===================== VOTING PROCEDURE FTSC ADMINISTRATOR ===================== As detailed in the FTSC_PUBLIC echomail conference and in FIDO1547.NWS, Odinn Sorensen has informed us that he wants step own as FTSC Administrator as soon as another person is ready to take over that office. To fill this vacancy, an election for a new FTSC Administrator is being held. Number of positions to be filled: 1 Responsibilities: See FTA-1001. Elegibility for appointment: See FTA-1001. >From 1998-11-20 until 1998-12-10, nominations have been accepted following the process described in FTA-1001. The next step is the voting process to appoint a new FTSC Administrator. Votes: Only votes from FTSC Standing Members as per current version of FTA-1003 who have not resigned from their position will be accepted provided that they are received by the election administrator no earlier than 1998-12-11 at 00:00 UTC and no later than 1998-12-31 at 24:00 UTC. FTSC Standing Members are encouraged to send their votes by crash mail. If they choose to use routed netmail they do so on their own risk. Results: The election administrator shall publish the election result in the FTSC_PUBLIC echomail conference no later than 1999-01-07 at 24:00 UTC. Term of office: The elected candidate will be appointed for a period that ends 2002-12-31. As election administrator for this election, Mario Mure' has been appointed. FIDONEWS 15-50 Page 7 14 Dec 1998 FidoNet address: Mario Mure', 2:335/533 Internet address: mure@sistemia.it All FTSC Standing Members as per current version of FTA-1003 who have not resigned from their position are eligible to vote. Voting commences 1998-12-11 at 00:00 UTC and closes 1998-12-31 at 23:59 UTC. Each FTSC Member ballot is to be sent either via: * netmail to Mario Mure' at 2:335/533, or * Internet email to mure@sistemia.it Receipt of votes will be acknowledged by return netmail or email. Ballots should include a password. The ballot format is given below. Each vote shall be for only one of the 2 candidates. An abstention is permitted. +-------------------------------------------------------------------+ | BALLOT - FTSC ADMINISTRATOR ELECTION, 1998 | | | | VOTER'S NAME _______________________________ | | | | PASSWORD _______________________________ | | | | Please indicate your wishes for ONE of the following candidates | | with an "X" in the "VOTE" column at left. To abstain, leave blank | | all "VOTE" columns at left. | | | | Ballots containing more than ONE "X" in the "VOTE" columns will | | be considered nul and void. | | | | There are 2 names, given in alphabetical order sorted by surname. | | | | "I support the appointment of this individual | | as new FTSC Administrator." | +-------+-----------------------------------------------------------+ | VOTE | NAME NODE # | +-------+-----------------------------------------------------------+ | | Radu Malica 2:530/139 | | | Colin Turner 2:443/13 | +-------+-----------------------------------------------------------+ -----------oOo------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------- FTSC Standing Member vote Official announcement - FTSC Standing Member vote by Mario Mure', 2:335/533 mure@sistemia.it ====================== VOTING PROCEDURE FTSC STANDING MEMBERS ====================== As detailed in the FTSC_PUBLIC echomail conference and in FIDO1547.NWS, a number of FTSC Standing Members have resigned. To fill these vacancies, an election for new Standing Members is being held. Number of positions to be filled: Not a definite number. According to FTA-1001 the FTSC shall have no less than 7 and no more than 30 members. Therefore a minimum of 0 and a maximum of 11 new Standing Members may be appointed. Eligibility for appointment: See FTA-1001. >From 1998-11-20 until 1998-12-10, nominations have been accepted following the process described in FTA-1001. The next step is the voting process to appoint FTSC Standing Members. Votes: Only votes from nodelisted RC's and REC's will be accepted provided that they are received by the election administrator no earlier than 1998-12-11 at 00:00 UTC and no later than 1998-12-31 at 24:00 UTC. RC's and REC's are encouraged to send their votes by crash mail. If they choose to use routed netmail they do so on their own risk. Votes for Standing Members should indicate what candidates each voter is supporting. Only those candidates obtaining support from more than 50 % of the total number of RC's and REC's casting valid votes will be considered successfull. Successfull candidates will be appointed according to the total number of supportive votes they have received. The one with the highest number of supportive votes will be appointed first etc. Results: The election administrator shall publish the election result in the FTSC_PUBLIC echomail conference no later than on 1999-01-07 FIDONEWS 15-50 Page 8 14 Dec 1998 at 24:00 UTC. In case of a tie about the last position to be filled this result may be supplemented by the ZCC decision as above no later than 1999-01-31 at 24:00 UTC. Term of office: Elected candidates will be appointed for a period that ends 2000-09-30. As election administrator for this election, Mario Mure' has been appointed. FidoNet address: Mario Mure', 2:335/533 Internet address: mure@sistemia.it "Nodelisted RC" is interpreted as anyone in the FidoNet nodelist (current on 1998-12-11) shown as the operator of a system with the Region keyword as per FTS-5. "Nodelisted REC" is interpreted as the first person in the FidoNet nodelist (current on 1998-12-11) identified as the REC of her/his region. Identification by a REC user flag in the nodelist is the preferred way for identification. If any single person occupies both the RC and the REC position for her/his region, she/he is entitled to two votes. All RCs and RECs clearly identified as such in that nodelist are eligible to vote. Voting commences 1998-12-11 at 00:00 UTC and closes 1998-12-31 at 23:59 UTC. Each RC and REC ballot is to be sent either via: * netmail to Mario Mure' at 2:335/533, or * Internet email to mure@sistemia.it Receipt of votes will be acknowledged by return netmail or email. Ballots should include a password. The ballot format is given below. Votes shall be "Yes" or "No" for each of the 4 candidates. An abstention for any candidate is permitted. +-------------------------------------------------------------------+ | BALLOT - FTSC STANDING MEMBER ELECTION, 1998 | | | | VOTER'S NAME _______________________________ | | | | VOTER'S POSITION RC/REC______ REGION______ | | | | PASSWORD _______________________________ | | | | Please indicate your wishes for each of the following candidates | | with an "X" in either the "YES" or the "NO" column. To abstain, | | leave both columns blank for that candidate. | | | | There are 4 names, so 4 votes are required in total. Names are | FIDONEWS 15-50 Page 9 14 Dec 1998 | given in alphabetical order sorted by surname. | | | | "I support the appointment of this individual | | as an FTSC Standing Member" | +----+----+---------------------------------------------------------+ |YES | NO | NAME NODE # NOMINATED BY | +----+----+---------------------------------------------------------+ | | | Lothar Behet 2:2446/301 RC 1:13, REC 1:19 | | | | Todd Cochrane 1:345/2 RC 1:10 | | | | David Hallford 1:208/103 RC 1:10 | | | | Sean Rima 2:252/300 RC 1:13 | +----+----+---------------------------------------------------------+ -----------oOo------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Precedent - Must we do it all again? Precedent Must we do it all again? Douglas Myers 1:270/720 If there were an award for the most overused term in Fidonet, the term "precedent" would be a strong contender. Bob Satti was criticized for firing Bob Kohl because it "set a bad precedent." Zorch Frezberg attempted to deny an elected moderator from obtaining the elist password because of "precedent." Indeed, the elist software itself has recently been criticized because it doesn't operate in precisely the same way as the previous software on the basis of "precedent." Precedent, if the term is to be taken literally, is simply an event which occurs before another. When used in the various arguments occurring in Fidonet, however, there is a strong implication to the term which goes beyond simple timing. The term is used more in the sense of a legal precedent. Lawyers look for a documented precedent frequently in the course of their work. The theory is that if a similar occurrence of an incident was already decided in a court of law, and if the laws haven't changed in the meantime, then the ruling should be the same no matter which judge or jury decides. But Fido isn't a courtroom (despite appearances to the contrary in some of the echoes), so does a "precedent" carry the same imperative as it would in a court of law? Certainly some sense of precedent is appropriate, as few want to "reinvent the wheel" each time they approach a problem. Most of us use session-level passwords with our links because precedent has shown that it prevents chicanery. Even if P4 didn't exist, most of us would work through the *C structure since it's better than NO plan. Most of us honor moderator requests due to precedent. But sometimes precedent gets in the way of progress. Fidonet established a strong structure of geographic organization and FIDONEWS 15-50 Page 10 14 Dec 1998 distribution based on the realities of the telephone tariff structure. Changes in these tariffs, and the dramatic impact of internet connections, made these precedents cumbersome. And so they were pretty much discarded with the result that distribution costs plummeted and much of that distribution is decentralized now. In a court of law, citing a precedent can compel a ruling. But in the world of Fido, precedents are routinely discarded when they have outlived their usefulness (and sometimes just on whim). To argue that we've done something a certain way before does not mean that we have to keep repeating and repeating it. We're free to try something new... and this is the stuff of which progress is made! ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 15-50 Page 11 14 Dec 1998 ================================================================= NET HUMOR ================================================================= Student Bloopers STUDENT BLOOPERS This is a compilation of actual student bloopers collected by teachers from 8th grade through college (how scary). 1. Ancient Egypt was inhabited by mummies and they all wrote in hydraulics. They lived in the Sarah Dessert and traveled by Camelot. The climate of the Sarah is such that the inhabitants have to live elsewhere. 2. The Bible is full of interesting caricatures. In the first book of the Bible, Guinessis, Adam and Eve were created from an apple tree. One of their children, Cain, asked, "Am I my brother's son?" 3. Moses led the Hebrew slaves to the Red Sea, where they made unleavened bread which is bread made without any ingredients. Moses went up on Mount Cyanide to get the ten commandments. He died before he ever reached Canada. 4 Solomom had three hundred wives and seven hundred porcupines. 5. The Greeks were a highly sculptured people, and without them we wouldn't have history. The Greeks also had myths. A myth is a female moth. 6. Actually, Homer was not written by Homer but by another man of that name. 7. Socrates was a famous Greek teacher who went around giving people advice. They killed him. Socrates died from an overdose of wedlock. After his death, his career suffered a dramatic decline. 8. In the Olympic games, Greeks ran races, jumped, hurled the biscuits, and threw the java. 9. Eventually, the Romans conquered the Greeks. History calls people Romans because they never stayed in one place for very long. 10. Julius Caesar extinguished himself on the battlefields of Gaul. The Ides of March murdered him because they thought he was going to be made king. Dying, he gasped out: "Tee hee, Brutus." 11. Nero was a cruel tyranny who would torture his subjects by playing the fiddle to them. 12. Joan of Arc was burnt to a steak and was cannonized by Bernard Shaw. Finally, Magna Carta provided that no man should be hanged twice for the same offense. FIDONEWS 15-50 Page 12 14 Dec 1998 13. In midevil times most people were alliterate. The greatest writer of the futile ages was Chaucer, who wrote many poems and verses and also wrote literature. 14. Another story was William Tell, who shot an arrow through an apple while standing on his son's head. 15. Queen Elizabeth was the "Virgin Queen." As a queen she was a success. When she exposed herself before her troops they all shouted "hurrah." 16. It was an age of great inventions and discoveries. Gutenberg invented removable type and the Bible. Another important invention was the circulation of blood. Sir Walter Raleigh is a historical figure because he invented cigarettes and started smoking. And Sir Francis Drake circumcised the world with a 100 foot clipper. 17. The greatest writer of the Renaissance was William Shakespeare. He was born in the year 1564, supposedly on his birthday. He never made much money and is famous only because of his plays. He wrote tragedies, comedies, and hysterectomies, all in Islamic pentameter. Romeo and Juliet are an example of a heroic couplet. Romeo's last wish was to be laid by Juliet. 18. Writing at the same time as Shakespeare was Miguel Cervantes. He wrote Donkey Hote. The next great author was John Milton. Milton wrote Paradise Lost. Then his wife died and he wrote Paradise Regained. 19. During the Renaissance America began. Christopher Columbus was a great navigator who discovered America while cursing about the Atlantic. His ships were called the Nina, the Pinta, and the Santa Fe. 20. Later, the Pilgrims crossed the ocean, and this was called Pilgrim's Progress. The winter of 1620 was a hard one for the settlers. Many people died and many babies were born. Captain John Smith was responsible for all this. 21. One of the causes of the Revolutionary War was the English put tacks in their tea. Also, the colonists would send their parcels through the post without stamps. Finally the colonists won the War and nolonger had to pay for taxis. Delegates from the original 13 states formed the Contented Congress. Thomas Jefferson, a Virgin, and Benjamin Franklin were two singers of the Declaration of Independence. Franklin discovered electricity by rubbing two cats backwards and declared, "A horse divided against itself cannot stand." Franklin died in 1790 and is still dead. 22. Soon the Constitution of the United States was adopted to secure domestic hostility. Under the constitution the people enjoyed the right to keep bare arms. 23. Abraham Lincoln became America's greatest Precedent. Lincoln's mother died in infancy, and he was born in a log cabin which he built with his own hands. Abraham Lincoln freed the slaves by FIDONEWS 15-50 Page 13 14 Dec 1998 signing the Emasculation Proclamation. On the night of April 14, 1865, Lincoln went to the theater and got shot in his seat by one of the actors in a moving picture show. The believed assinator was John Wilkes Booth, a supposingly insane actor. This ruined Booth's career. 24. Meanwhile in Europe, the enlightenment was a reasonable time. Voltaire invented electricity and also wrote a book called Candy. 25. Gravity was invented by Issac Walton. It is chiefly noticeable in the autumn when the apples are falling off the trees. 26. Johann Bach wrote a great many musical compositions and had large number of children. In between he practiced on an old spinster which he kept up in his attic. Bach died from 1750 to the present. Bach was the most famous composer in the world and so was Handel. Handel was half German, half Italian, and half English. He was very large. 27. Beethoven wrote music even though he was deaf. He was so deaf he wrote loud music. He took long walks in the forest even when everyone was calling for him. Beethoven expired in 1827 and later died for this. 28. The French Revolution was accomplished before it happened and catapulted into Napoleon. Napoleon wanted an heir to inherit his power, but since Josephine was a baroness, she couldn't have any children. 29. The sun never set on the British Empire because the British Empire is in the East and the sun sets in the West. 30. Queen Victoria was the longest queen. She sat on a thorn for 63 years. She was a moral woman who practiced virtue. Her death was the final event which ended her reign. 31. The nineteenth century was a time of a great many thoughts and inventions. People stopped reproducing by hand and started reproducing by machine. The invention of the steamboat caused a network of rivers to spring up. Cyrus McCormick invented the McCormick raper, which did the work of a hundred men. 32. Louis Pasteur discovered a cure for rabbis. Charles Darwin was a naturalist who wrote the Organ of the Species. Madman Curie discovered radio. And Karl Marx became one of the Marx brothers. 33. The First World War, caused by the assignation of the Arch-Duck by an anahist, ushered in a new error in the anals of human history. ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 15-50 Page 14 14 Dec 1998 ================================================================= NOTICES ================================================================= Future History 16 Feb 1999 13th Anniversary of the introduction of EchoMail by Jeff Rush. 12 May 1999 12th Anniversary of Fido Operations in Zone 4; 10th Anniversary of the creation of FidoNet Zone 4. 24 Jul 1999 XIII Pan American Games [through 8 Aug 99]. 9 Jun 1999 Tenth Anniversary of the adoption of FidoNet Policy 4.07. 10 Sep 1999 10th anniversary of Zone 5 operations. 26 Oct 1999 Thirty years from release Abbey Road album by the Beatles. 31 Dec 1999 Hogmanay, Scotland. The New Year that can't be missed. 1 Jan 2000 The 20th Century, C.E., is still taking place thru 31 Dec. 1 Jun 2000 EXPO 2000 World Exposition in Hannover (Germany) opens. 15 Sep 2000 Sydney (Australia) Summer Olympiad opens. 21 Sep 2000 10 years of FidoNet in +7 (xUSSR) 1 Jan 2001 This is the actual start of the new millennium, C.E. -- If YOU have something which you would like to see in this Future History, please send a note to the FidoNews Editor. ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 15-50 Page 15 14 Dec 1998 ================================================================= FIDONET BY INTERNET ================================================================= This is a list of all FidoNet-related sites reported to the FidoNews Editor as of this issue; see the notice at the end. FidoNet: Homepage http://www.fidonet.org FidoNews http://www.fidonews.org [HTML] http://209.77.228.66/fidonews.html [ASCII] WWW sources http://travel.to/fidonet/ FTSC page http://www.goldware.dk/ftsc Echomail [pending] WebRing http://ddi.digital.net/~cbaker84/fnetring.html [TFN] General http://owls.com/~jerrys/fidonet.html http://www.nrgsys.com/orb/foti List servers: http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/fidonet-discussion ============ Zone 1: http://www.z1.fidonet.org Region 10: http://www.psnw.com/~net205/region10.html Region 11: http://oeonline.com/~garyg/region11/ Region 13: Net 264: http://www.net264.org Region 17: http://www.nwstar.com/~region17/ Region 18: http://techshop.pdn.net/fido/ Region 19: http://www.compconn.net/r19 Zone 1 Elist http://www.baltimoremd.com/elist/ ============ Zone 2: http://www.z2.fidonet.org ZEC2: Zone 2 Elist: http://www.fbone.ch/echolist/ Region 20: http://www.fidonet.pp.se (in Swedish) Region 23: http://www.fido.dk (in Danish) Region 24: http://www.swb.de/personal/flop/gatebau.html (German) Fido-IP: http://home.nrh.de/~lbehet/fido (English/German) Region 25: http://www.bsnet.co.uk/net2502/net/ FIDONEWS 15-50 Page 16 14 Dec 1998 Region 26: http://www.nemesis.ie REC 26: http://www.nrgsys.com/orb Region 27: http://telematique.org/ft/r27.htm Region 29: http://www.rtfm.be/fidonet/ (French) Region 30: http://www.fidonet.ch (German) Region 33: http://www.fidoitalia.net (Italian) Region 34: http://www.pobox.com/cnb/r34.htm (Spanish) REC34: http://pobox.com/~chr Region 36: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/7207/ Region 38: http://public.st.carnet.hr/~blagi/bbs/adriam.html Region 41: http://www.fidonet.gr (Greek/English) Region 42: http://www.fido.cz Region 48: http://www.fidonet.org.pl Region 50: http://www.fido7.com/ (Russian) Net 5010: http://fido.tu-chel.ac.ru/ (Russian) Net 5015: http://www.fido.nnov.ru/ (Russian) Net 5030: http://kenga.ru/fido/ (Russian & English) Net 5073: http://people.weekend.ru/soa/ (Russian) ============ Zone 3: http://www.z3.fidonet.org ============ Zone 4: Region 90: http://visitweb.com/fidonet Net 903: http://www.playagrande.com/refugio Net 904: http://members.tripod.com/~net904 (Spanish) ============ Zone 5: http://www.eastcape.co.za/fidonet/index.htm ============ Zone 6: http://www.z6.fidonet.org Region 65: http://www.cfido.com/fidonet/cfidochina.html (Chinese) ============ Pages listed above are as submitted to the FidoNews Editor, and generally reflect Zone and Regional Web Page sites. If FIDONEWS 15-50 Page 17 14 Dec 1998 no Regional site is submitted, the first Network page from that Region is used in its place. Generally, Regional pages should list access points to all Networks within the Region. TCP/IP accessible node access information should be submitted to the FidoNews Editor for inclusion in their Region or Zone. -----------oOo------------- Fidonet Via Internet Hubs Node# | Operator | Facilities (*) | Speed | Basic Rate -----------+-------------------+----------------+-------+------------ 1:12/12 | Ken Wilson | FTP | T1 | $24mo. 1:13/25 | Jim Balcom | FTP | 56k | $20mo. 1:106/1 | Matt Bedynek | FTP,VMoT,UUE | 64k | $5/$15mo. 1:106/6018 | Lawrence Garvin | FTP,VMoT | 64k | $5/mo. 1:107/451 | Andy Knifel | FTP, VMoT, UUE | 33.6 | n/c 1:124/7008 | Ben Hamilton | FTP,VMoT,UUE | 64k | $10/$20mo. 1:140/12 | Bob Seaborn | FTP | T1 | $5/$20 1:270/101 | George Peace | FTP | T1 | $30mo. 1:271/140 | Tom Barstow | UUE | T1 | n/c 1:275/1 | Joshua Ecklund | UUE | 28.8 | $10/yr. 1:280/169 | Brian Greenstreet | FTP | 33.6 | $2mo. 1:2401/305 | Peter Rocca | FTP,UUE | T1 | unkn 1:2424/10 | Alec Grynspan | FTP,UUE | T1 | n/c 1:2604/104 | Jim Mclaughlin | FTP,VMoT,UUE | 33.6 | $1mo. 1:2624/306 | D. Calafrancesco | VMoT | 33.6 | $15yr. 1:345/0 | Todd Cochrane | FTP | T1 | n/c 1:346/250 | Aran Spence | FTP,UUE | T1 | $10mo. 1:396/45 | Marc Lewis | UUE | 33.6 | $26/yr. 1:3651/9 | Jerry Gause | FTP,VMoT | 33.6 | $3/$6 1:396/1 | John Souvestre | FTP,VMoT | T1 | $15mo. 2:33/505 | Mario Mure | VMoT,UUE | 64k | n/c 2:254/175 | Alex Kemp | UUE | 56k | n/c 2:284/800 | Jeroen VanDeLeur | FTP,UUE | 64k | n/c 2:335/610 | Gino Lucrezi | UUE | 33.6 | n/c 2:469/84 | Max Masyutin | VMoT | 256k | n/c 2:2411/413 | Dennis Dittrich | UUE | 64k | n/c 2:2474/275 | Christian Emig | UUE | 64k | unkn 3:633/260 | Malcolm Miles | FTP | 33.6 | n/c 4:905/100 | Fabian Gervan | VMoT, UUE | ??? | n/c 5:7104/2 | Henk Wolsink | FTP | 28.8 | n/c -- * FTP = Internet File Transfer Protocol * VMoT = Virtual Mailer over Telnet (various) * UUE = uuencode<->email type transfers [I'm only cataloging transfer methods, eg, ftp, email, telnet. Specific programs using these protocols are no longer being listed. Contact the system operators for details of which programs they have available.] Compiled by C. Ingersoll, 1:2623/71, (609)814-1978, fbn@dandy.net Posted on the 1st of every month in FN_SYSOP, R13SYSOP and Fidonews. ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 15-50 Page 18 14 Dec 1998 ================================================================= FIDONEWS INFORMATION ================================================================= ------- FIDONEWS MASTHEAD AND CONTACT INFORMATION ------- Editor: Henk Wolsink Editors Emeritii: Tom Jennings, Thom Henderson, Dale Lovell, Vince Perriello, Tim Pozar, Sylvia Maxwell, Donald Tees, Christopher Baker, Zorch Frezberg "FidoNews Editor" FidoNet 5:5/23 BBS +27-41-515-913, 2400/9600/V.34/V.90 more addresses: Henk Wolsink -- 5:7104/2, hwolsink@catpe.alt.za (Postal Service mailing address) FidoNews Editor P.O. 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