F I D O N E W S Volume 17, Number 01 03 Jan 2000 +----------------------------+---------------------------------------+ | The newsletter of the | ISSN 1198-4589 Published by: | | FidoNet community | "FidoNews" | | _ | 1-717-732-6820 1:270/720 | | / \ | | | /|oo \ | | | (_| /_) | | | _`@/_ \ _ | | | | | \ \\ | Editor: Douglas Myers, 1:270/720 | | | (*) | \ )) | DougM@paonline.com | | |__U__| / \// | | | _//|| _\ / | | | (_/(_|(____/ | | | (jm) | Newspapers should have no friends. | | | -- JOSEPH PULITZER | +----------------------------+---------------------------------------+ Table of Contents 1. EDITORIAL ................................................ 1 Broken Filebone .......................................... 1 2. GUEST EDITORIAL .......................................... 2 My Thoughts on Fidonet ................................... 2 3. ARTICLES ................................................. 5 Are They Really Gone? .................................... 5 4. COLUMNS .................................................. 6 Fidonet-related sites .................................... 6 Ol'WDB: Mathematical Explanation ......................... 9 5. NET HUMOR ................................................ 11 Ten Commandments ......................................... 11 Surgery .................................................. 11 6. COMIX IN ASCII ........................................... 12 Cow-lliope in the Circus Parade .......................... 12 7. ADVERTISE YOUR FREE SERVICE/EVENT ........................ 13 It's a Web Page .......................................... 13 8. FIDONEWS INFORMATION ..................................... 15 Masthead ................................................. 15 FIDONEWS 17-01 Page 1 3 Jan 2000 ================================================================= EDITORIAL ================================================================= Broken Filebone Doug Myers Welcome to the first edition of Fidonews in the year 2000. Hopefully, you all will be getting a copy of this millennium edition, because there are at least two barriers to distribution right now. The first is with my system. I was overjoyed when the year 2000 rolled over and the mail I wrote appeared to be correctly dated, the old copy of Front Door 2.02 appeared to move it just fine, and the computer was still up. Then I discovered that the external utility used to post Fidonews to the FIDONEWS echo incorrectly dated the mail. Fortunately, Peter Karlsson's Azure 300 utility correctly dates the messages used to post Fidonews, so we'll give it a try for a while. The second is that the FILEBONE appears to be broken in the middle. Ever since the NAB and the Z1B established a new link (Matt Bedynek/Ken Wilson) to replace the old link (John Souvestre/George Peace), some or all FILEBONE files haven't been flowing back and forth. Two weeks ago, I began distributing Fidonews through John Souvestre, who promptly distributed it to the systems associated with the Z1B. Bob Seaborn noticed Fidonews was not showing up on the NAB side, so he FTP'd a copy from Souvestre's system and distributed it. Until the FILEBONE is repaired, I'll be crashing a ticked copy of Fidonews to both John Souvestre and Bob Seaborn, both of whom have bent over backwards to keep Fidonews flowing. Theoretically, the FILEBONE is a seperate entity from any of the echomail backbones. However, files have traditionally followed echomail paths at the zone distribution level. I'm not sure why Matt and Ken have changed that - I've not had an opportunity to discuss it with either - but there's nothing but tradition and the spirit of cooperation to make them move files along with echomail. Here's hoping that they either agree to move files or the FILEBONE sets up an alternative path. ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 17-01 Page 2 3 Jan 2000 ================================================================= GUEST EDITORIAL ================================================================= My Thoughts on Fidonet Darrell Salter 1:12/0 This is the second edition of "My Thoughts on Fidonet", the original being written a couple of years ago when I was the NC (Network Coordinator) of Net 229. Things have played out pretty much as I predicted then, and it is interesting to look back and see just what has transpired since. I almost left Fidonet back then, but after some prompting from a few of the good folks in Region 12, I decided to return to see if I could help. What has happened since the first incarnation of "My Thoughts"? Not much. Fidonet continues to shrink, P4 is still in place, Zone 1 has a new Zone Coordinator, and the old Zone Coordinator has become the International Coordinator. Yeesh! Fidonet in Zone #1 continues to die as nodes disappear. The node list is still populated with downed nodes that are, for the most part, unreachable. Why? Same deal. "The Internet has decimated Fidonet, and that will continue to be the trend until we have just the diehards left. Anyone else is kidding themselves." It is still my opinion that the people we hoped would lead us into the 21st century have failed us miserably. At the top of the list is the IC (International Coordinator), Bob Satti. He has taken his "plays the fiddle while Rome burns" philosophy to the IC slot, and is just as useless there as he was in the Z1C seat. Sorry Bob, I still call them as I see them. Next would be, naturally, the ZCs. They too, do little to promote this great hobby of ours, and I consider the Z1C a friend of mine, so it pains me to to say this. Still, the ills of Fidonet are not being addressed with sufficient energy from the top, and if the head dies, the body follows. What's to be done? I said this last time, and it's still true today -- "P4 and it's power-mongering structure created an unhealthy environment for sysops. People don't want to be ruled over when it comes to their free time and hobbies. If we look at making a choice between the Internet, and it's free and open, unaccountable environment, and Fidonet, with it's Elflords and power-trippers, the choice for hobbiests becomes clear, and the Internet wins hands down. The *C structure needed to dethrone themselves and throw the doors wide open years ago if we were to progress and keep interest. That didn't happen, and it has resulted in what we have today. It's a crying shame." Tom Jennings predicted this, and lo and behold, he was right. The *Cs are nodelist clerks, not administrative seats of power. FIDONEWS 17-01 Page 3 3 Jan 2000 "I don't blame sysops for their lack of support for the people with vision. Why should they care? As long as they get their favorite echos, they are free to go surfing on the Internet to have fun. If they had to make a choice between Fidonet and the Internet, Fidonet would die immediately. If the mail-movers ever pulled up stakes, Fidonet would die immediately. Many have done exactly that. This thing is in a coma and on life support, and people like us are keeping it alive, hoping for a recovery. The prognosis is not good." Since I first said that, we have lost gryn.org, a Fidonet gateway that served many, many systems. "Here's why. Look at it this way, if you have a computer and a modem and enough time to enjoy a hobby, what are you going to choose? The Internet with all it has to offer; email, web sites, chat rooms, search engines, FTP, video streaming, real-time features, and millions of people to interact with the world over? Or Fidonet, with it's power-trippers, policy documents and rules, difficult configurations, dead or dying echos, and dead end phone numbers? Who in their right mind would choose Fidonet? People have voted with their feet, and the Internet is the big winner, Fidonet the big loser." And Fidonet continues to lose. I see it every day in the Z1C and FN_SYSOP echos. Bull-headed, egotistical power-trippers that continue to be condescending to the average sysop, while doing little to actually change this thing for the better. "The only chance Fidonet has in my opinion, is to pull down it's hierarchy, embrace the Internet, and flood it with what we have left of the telnettable systems and web sites, and get up to speed with html/cgi message bases and BBSes, and start implementing the Internet technologies. The nodelist needs to be redesigned to accomodate Internet sites immediately. There are some people that have the right idea, such as the Fidonet Web Ring, which links Fidonet systems and BBSes around the world on the Internet. But make no mistake, even if we embrace the Internet, as soon as we try to impose the ludicrous standards and power tripping mentality our present administration has imposed on us, to the people of the Internet, we'll lose them too, and it'll finally be over." To his credit, the present Z1C, David Moufarrege, has seen the light, and is actively promoting the Internet as a viable means of transport for our product. He has initiated a transformation of the nodelist to include Internet systems. He is also attempting to re-write P4 into P-somethingelse. He is to be applauded for his efforts. I don't agree with him 100%, but at least he's trying. "Again, the only chance is to pull down Satti and the Elflords, embrace the Internet as our last chance for survival, and encourage people like David Hallford and Dave Hamilton to address the issues of bringing the nodelist to the Internet and into the 20th century. We need to encourage people like Shawn (Tiny) Highfield, to continue to develop Internet tools for BBS systems. We need to encourage the gateways systems like the Northern and Southern Stars, to continue to develop Internet strategies for distribution of our product. We FIDONEWS 17-01 Page 4 3 Jan 2000 need to seek out people with vision and put them into the positions to make it all happen. Our failure to seek out the right people will be our epitath. Until I see that happen, we'll continue to slide deeper into our coma, and eventually even life support will fail." Since I wrote that, David Hallford and Dave Hamilton are no longer in Fidonet. Shawn Highfield barely keeps a Fidonet system current and involved. George Peace, a senior Fidonet statesman has pulled down his Fidonet Gateway, and instead of continuing to develop Internet strategies, most of the "Stars" have indulged themselves in bitterness, bickering, and backbiting as they fight over what sysops are left. Other major hubs and distribution points have become complacent or overbearing (there is no shortage of egomaniacs in Fidonet). The end is closer than ever, perilously close, and now we are at the year 2000. That's bound to kill off some more Fidonet nodes as old softwares croak on the date changes. Doesn't look good, does it? ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 17-01 Page 5 3 Jan 2000 ================================================================= ARTICLES ================================================================= ARE THEY REALLY GONE? Lesley-Dee Dylan 1:250/201 Much has been said about former members of FidoNet and why they left, but have they ever completely left, or are we still in their hearts? I recently heard from an old friend, Luke Kolin. He was, years ago, Region 12 Coordinator, and for many years NC and/or NEC of Net 250. How did he contact me? By looking me up in the Toronto phone book? By looking in the Fido nodelist for my BBS number? No - he sent an email to Snooze editor Douglas Myers, asking for my email address. How many others of our old companions continue to read our Snooze? If you are out there lurking, please let us hear from you. Have you moved to another city, or another country? Did you feel you had outgrown Fido as you reached maturity, and moved on, but still miss the comraderie, or the squabbles? Tell us. Send an email to Douglas (address on the masthead) or to me at hippy@to.org. There are many who would like to hear from you. For those who remember Luke, he is now living and working in Atlanta. ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 17-01 Page 6 3 Jan 2000 ================================================================= COLUMNS ================================================================= ! = New entries this week ? = not responding ?? = unknown content, doesn't look like fidonet . -- -- -- -- --- -- -- -- -- . | FIDONET-RELATED SITES | ` -- -- -- -- --- -- -- -- -- ' Last update: Dec 26, 1999 FidoNet Homepage: http://www.fidonet.org FidoNews: http://www.fidonews.org [HTML] ftp://ftp.nwstar.com/fidonet/fidonews/ ftp://ftp.sstar.com/fidonet/fnews/ !Echomail links: http://www.osirusoft.com/fidoip.html SDS Files: http://fidobbs.dk/download (Web Access to SDS) FTSC page: http://www.ftsc.org/ General: http://owls.com/~jerrys/fidonet.html List server: http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/fidonet-discussion Zone 1: http://www.z1.fidonet.org Region 10: http://www.psnw.com/~net205/region10.html http://www.tnl-online.com/andy/rgn10.htm Net 103: http://www.webworldinc.com/club103/ Net 203: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/8687/net203index.html Region 11: http://oeonline.com/~garyg/region11/ Net 2410: http://oeonline.com/~garyg/net2410/ Region 12: http://sparkys.dyndns.org Region 13: http://www.net264.org/r13.htm Net 264: http://www.net264.org/ Net 275: http://www.homershut.net/~mahoover/net275/ Region 14: Net 282: http://www.rxn.com/~net282/ Region 17: http://www.nwstar.com/~region17/ Region 18: http://techshop.pdn.net/fido/ Region 19: http://members.home.net/hbh3/r19 Net 124: http://www.startext.net/np/net124 http://texoma.net/~flv Net 130: http://www.startext.net/homes/net130 Net 393: http://www.chatter.com/~wb/ Zone 1 Elist http://members.xoom.com/echolist/ Zone 2: http://www.z2.fidonet.org ftp://ftp.sstar.com/fidonet/zone2 (Z2 nodelists etc.) Region 20: http://www.fidonet.pp.se (in Swedish) Region 23: http://www.fido.dk (in Danish) Region 24: http://www.swb.de/personal/flop/gatebau.html (German) Fido-IP: http://home.nrh.de/fido/ (English/German) Region 25: http://www.literary.freeserve.co.uk/net2502/ FIDONEWS 17-01 Page 7 3 Jan 2000 Region 26: http://www.nemesis.ie REC 26: http://www.nrgsys.com/orb Region 27: http://telematique.org/ft/r27.htm Region 29: http://www.rtfm.be/fidonet/ (French) Region 30: http://www.fidonet.ch (German) ? Region 33: http://www.fidoitalia.net (Italian) Region 34: http://www.pobox.com/cnb/r34.htm (Spanish) REC34: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/4552/ Region 36: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/7207/ Region 38: http://public.st.carnet.hr/~blagi/bbs/adriam.html Region 41: http://www.fidonet.gr (Greek/English) Region 42: http://www.fido.cz Region 50: http://www.fido7.com/ (Russian) Net 5010: http://fido.tu-chel.ac.ru/ (Russian) Net 5015: http://www.fido.nnov.ru/ (Russian) Net 5030: http://kenga.ru/fido/ (Russian & English) Net 5049: http://www.n5049.z2.fidonet.org (English/Russian) ?? Net 5085: http://www.fidonet.uz/ (Russian) Zone 3: http://www.z3.fidonet.org Zone 4: Region 80: http://fidobrasil.8m.com (Portuguese) Region 90: Net 904: http://members.tripod.com/~net904 (Spanish) Zone 5: http://www.eastcape.co.za/fidonet/ Zone 6: http://www.z6.fidonet.org Region 65: http://www.cfido.com/fidonet/cfidochina.html (Chinese) Fidonet Via Internet Hubs See also: http://www.osirusoft.com/fidoip.html a @ preceding an individual's name implies a virtual email address. The email is translated as follows firstlast@osirusoft.com will automatically route to the appropriate individual's email. Anyone in this list will also receive routed notice of this feature. In my case, it would still be joejared@osirusoft.com, but you get the idea. Also, as information is provided to me, I will be adding a latency field to each node, which is defined as the maximum time between when the message is received, and when it is sent on to other nodes, or available to be sent onward, defined in minutes. A latency of ! implies that there is an immediate response, and an attempt to deliver immediately after processing, or a "MinuteMail System", as it were. v-email flag firstnamelastname@osirusoft.com | email address or Node# | Operator | Facilities (*) | Speed,| Basic Rate | | |latency| FIDONEWS 17-01 Page 8 3 Jan 2000 -----------+-------------------+----------------+-------+------------ Zone 1 | | | | 10/3 @ Brenda Donovan | FTP,UUE,BinkP | 384K,30| $??/$10 10/345 @ Todd Cochrane | FTP,BinkP | T1,! | n/c 12/12 @ Ken Wilson | FTP | T1 | $24mo. 13/25 @ Jim Balcom | FTP | 56k | $20mo. 103/5 @ Mark Luetger | BinkP | 384k,!| n/c 103/153 @ Michael Box | BinkP | aDSL,!| n/c 103/301 @ Joe Jared | BinkP,FTP | aDSL,!| n/c 103/401 @ Warren Bonner | BinkP | aDSL,!| n/c 105/8 | Russ Johnson | FTP,BinkP,VMoT | 384k | n/c 105/72 @ Larry James | FTP | aDSL | $5/$15 mo 106/1 @ Matt Bedynek | BinkP, FTP | DS-3,5| $5/$15 mo 106/6018 | Lawrence Garvin | FTP, VMoT | aDSL,60| n/c 107/453 @ Jeffrey Estevez| FTP,BinkP,VMoT,UUE| 56k,60| $10 mo. 140/1 @ Bob Seaborn | FTP | T3,30 | $5/$16 167/133 | Stephen Monteith | BinkP | 128k+ | n/c 211/417 @ Korombos | BinkP,UUE,FTP | T1 | n/c 218/109 @ Matt Munson | BinkP,UUE | 33.6k | n/c 244/2 | Kari Suomela | FTP,VMoT,BinkP,UUE| T1,! | $25.00/mo 246/160 @ Mason Vye | FTP, UUE | 56K | n/c 271/140 @ Tom Barstow | UUE,FTP | T1 | n/c 280/169 | Brian Greenstreet | FTP | 33.6 | $2mo. 342/3 @ Richard Dodsworth | BinkP,FTP | 128K+ | n/c 395/670 | Arthur Stark | BinkD,FTP | 128k | n/c 396/1 @ John Souvestre | FTP,VMoT | T1,10 | $5/mo 396/45 | Marc Lewis | UUE | 33.6 | $26/yr 2604/104 @ Jim Mclaughlin | FTP,VMoT,UUE | 33.6 | $1mo 2613/404 @ David Moufarrege | BinkP,FTP,VMoT | 128k+,!| n/c 2624/306 @ David Calafrancesco | VMoT | 33.6 | n/c 3613/2 @ jyates@bsdi.ldl.net | UUE | 28.8 | n/c 3632/84 | Robert Todd |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c 3639/93 @ Ross Cassell | FTP, BinkP |128K+,!| n/c 3651/9 @ Jerry Gause | FTP,VMoT | 33.6 | $3/$6 -------------------------------------------------------------- Zone 2 | 20/11 | Henrik Lindhe | BinkP | ??? | n/c 31/1 | Gabriel Plutzar | BinkP | T1+ | n/c 203/600 | Mikael Karlsson | UUE | 64k | n/c 221/360 @ Tommi Koivula | BinkP,UUE | ??? | n/c 236/205 @ Michael Kaaber | BinkP | ??? | n/c 246/2098 | Volker Imre | BinkP | ??? | n/c 284/800 @ Jeroen VanDeLeur | FTP,UUE | 64k | n/c 292/626 | Filip Ruymen | Binkp, UUE | 128K+ | n/c 292/2003 | Eric Vaneberck | BinkP | 768k | n/c 301/1 | Peter Witschi | BinkP | 768k | n/c 332/807 | Roberto Mascolo | BinkP | ??? | n/c 335/535 @ Mario Mure | BinkP,VMot,UUE | 64k | n/c 335/610 | Gino Lucrezi | UUE | 33.6 | n/c 344/201 | Julio Garcia | BinkP | ??? | n/c 346/3 @ Carlos Navarro | UUE | ??? | n/c 382/100 | Sinisa Burina | BinkP | ??? | n/c 406/555 | Ofir Michaeli & | BinkP | ??? | n/c 406/555 | Marius Kaizerman | BinkP | ??? | n/c 423/81 | Milos Bajer | BinkP | ??? | n/c 464/4077 | Serguei Trouchelle| UUE | 19.2 | n/c FIDONEWS 17-01 Page 9 3 Jan 2000 465/204 | Va Milushnikov | BinkP | 33.6k | n/c 469/84 | Max Masyutin | VMoT | 256k | n/c 480/112 | Adam Sarapata| FTP, VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 128k | n/c 2411/413 @ Dennis Dittrich | UUE,BinkP | 64k | n/c 2446/301 | Lothar Behet | BinkP,VMoT,UUE,FTP | 64K | n/c 2474/275 | Christian Emig | UUE | 64k | unkn 5030/115 | Andrey Podkolzin | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5100/8 | Egons Bush | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5020/1159 | Gennady Kudryashoff | UUE | 33.6 | n/c -------------------------------------------------------------- Zone 3 633/260 @ Malcolm Miles | FTP,BinkP | 64K | n/c 640/954 | Rick Van Ruth | FTP,VMot,UUE,BinkP| 56K| n/c 774/605 @ Barry Blackford|BinkP,VMoT:10023,ifcico,FTP |33.6| n/c -------------------------------------------------------------- Zone 4 905/100 | Fabian Gervan | VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 128k | n/c 902/18 | Javier Tejedor | UUE | 33,6 | n/c -- * FTP = Internet File Transfer Protocol * VMoT = Virtual Mailer over Telnet (various) * UUE = uuencode<->email type transfers * BinkP = front end mailer for TCPIP networks ---------------------------------------------- Fidonet oriented news servers news.osirusoft.com news.tardis.net Fidonet oriented chat rooms. room #fidonet 5PM (PDT 11AM GMT) Sundays irc.isonline.com irc.killaz-r-us.com irc.korombos.org ---------------------------------------------- Please send updates, corrections and suggestions to Joe Jared, 1:103/301, joejared@osirusoft.com, and complaints to jarhead@osirusoft.com . ----------------------------------------------------------------- Mathematical Explanation as to Why Idiots often get Promoted Ol'WDB In case you've ever wondered why ignorance rises to the executive level, here is a simple explanation that is also a mathematical proof. FIDONEWS 17-01 Page 10 3 Jan 2000 Also if you get big pay raises, maybe someone is trying to tell you something. 1. Knowledge is Power 2. Time is Money and, as every engineer knows: 3. Work/Power = Time If Knowledge = Power, and Time = Money then #3 becomes: 3a. Work/Knowledge = Money or, 3b. Money = Work/Knowledge Thus Money approaches infinity as Knowledge approaches zero, regardless of the Work done. What this means is: The LESS you Know, the MORE you Make! ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 17-01 Page 11 3 Jan 2000 ================================================================= NET HUMOR ================================================================= Ten Commandments Thanks to Roy Reed rcreed@juno.com My uncle spent days looking for the new hat he lost. Finally, he decided that he'd go to church on Sunday and sit at the back. During the service he would sneak out and grab a hat from the rack at the front door. On Sunday, he went to church and sat at the back. The sermon was about the 10 Commandments. He sat through the whole sermon and instead of sneaking out he went to talk to the minister. He said to the minister, "Father, I came here today to steal a hat to replace the one I lost. But after hearing your sermon on the 10 Commandments, I changed my mind." The minister said, "Bless you my son. Was it when I started to preach thou shall not steal, that changed your heart?" My uncle responded, "No, it was the one on adultery. When you started to preach on that, I remembered where I left my hat." ----------------------------------------------------------------- Surgery Thanks to Ol'WDB A man goes to the doctor complaining that one of his testicles has turned blue. After examination the doctor tells his patient that the testicle has to be removed to save his life. With some reluctance the operation is performed. Two weeks later the second testicle has turned blue. Again it's either death or amputation so the second testicle goes. Another two weeks pass and the penis has turned blue. Now the penis must go. "But how will I pee?" "We'll install a plastic tube." More time passes and the patient is back again. This time the plastic tube has turned blue. "Hmmm. Maybe it's the new blue jeans." ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 17-01 Page 12 3 Jan 2000 ================================================================= COMIX IN ASCII ================================================================= ______________________ | |\ | (__) | | | (oo) | | | \/ | | | / \ \ | | ///////// \_ \_/////// | | | / | | (__) | /++++++< | | _____(oo) |==/====|==\=\=========|=|===========================\\/ | * | \_\_ | | / | || _______O)-----^---------------\O)_________________*__||----||_____ cow-lliope in the circus parade ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 17-01 Page 13 3 Jan 2000 ================================================================= ADVERTISE YOUR FREE SERVICE/EVENT ================================================================= It's a Web Page Frank Vest 1:124/6308.1 Hello Readers, It's a Web Page, or site, if you will. Not a fancy one, nor one with lot's of banners and ads. The page has links. Lot's of links! In fact, almost the whole site is links. There are links to Fidonet pages all over the world. Links to sites with information on Fidonet and not just english or American. Why did I put the site up on the Internet? Simple, I love Fidonet. I had to get Internet access for my children because the schools here are always asking the children to "search the Internet" for their school work. Since the ISP I go through gives 5 megs of Web space, I decided to put up a page. What kind of page? Of course, it has to be Fidonet! :) When I first started creating the page, I thought one page would do. It would be for my BBS and that would be it. Whew! Was I wrong!! As time went on, this site grew. I think there are some 5 or more pages here now. Probably over 100 links to other Fidonet and BBS sites. Ok, so what will you find here? As above, links! You'll find links to Zones, Regions, Nets and Nodes. Informational pages and even be able to read Policy 4 online. You can grab a copy of the Nodelist or surf to "Other Strange and Wonderful Places". If you look hard enough, you'll find a page about me and my family. :) So, why am I writing this? I want more links! I want more people to visit! I want to promote Fidonet! If you have a page that is related to Fidonet, BBS's or other "Fido" type Nets, let me know. Visit the page and E-Mail me about the page. I'll look it over and if it fits, I'll put a link on the site. If you like my site, please put a link to it on you page. Oh yeah! The address :-) http://texoma.net/~flv You'll see a spinning world when the page comes up. Click on it and you're there. Look the site over. You might be surprised at what you'll find. :) With kind regards, Frank - flv@texoma.net FIDONEWS 17-01 Page 14 3 Jan 2000 ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 17-01 Page 15 3 Jan 2000 ================================================================= FIDONEWS INFORMATION ================================================================= Masthead + -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- FIDONEWS STAFF - -- -- -- -- -- -- -- + | | | Editor: Douglas Myers, 1:270/720, DougM@paonline.com | | Webmaster: Jim Barchuk, jb@fidonews.org | | Columnist: Joe Jared, 1:103/0, jarhead@osirusoft.com | | (Fido Via Internet Hubs column) | | Columnist: Warren D. Bonner, 1:103/401, wdbonner@pacbell.net | | (Warren uses the pen name "Ol'WDB") | | Humor: Roy Reed, rcreed@juno.com | | | + -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- + + -- -- -- -- -- -- -- - EDITORS EMERITI - -- -- -- -- -- -- -- + | | | Tom Jennings, Thom Henderson, Dale Lovell, Vince | | Perriello, Tim Pozar, Sylvia Maxwell, Donald Tees, | | Christopher Baker, Zorch Frezberg, Henk Wolsink | | | + -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- + "Fido", "FidoNet" and the dog-with-diskette are U.S. registered trademarks of Tom Jennings, P.O. Box 410923, San Francisco, CA 94141, and are used with permission. Fidonews is published weekly by and for the members of Fidonet. Fidonews is Copyright (C) 1999 by Douglas Myers, though authors retain rights to their contributed articles. Opinion expressed by the authors is strictly their own. Noncommercial duplication and distribution within Fidonet is encouraged. Authors are encouraged to send their articles in ASCII text to Douglas Myers at one of his addresses above. The weekly edition of Fidonews is distributed through the file area FIDONEWS, and is published as echomail in the echo FIDONEWS. These sources are normally available through your Network Coordinator. The current and past issues are also available from the following sources: + -- -- -- -- -- -- - FIDONEWS AVAILABILITY - -- -- -- -- -- -- + | | | Freq FIDONEWS @ 1:270/720, 1:140/1, or 1:396/1 | | ftp://ftp.sstar.com/fidonet/fnews/ | | ftp://ftp.nwstar.com/fidonet/fidonews/ | | http://www.fidonews.org | | email subscription: majordomo@fidonews.org | | (subject: help body: list) | | ftp mail: ftpmail@fidonews.org (subject: help) | | | + -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- + FIDONEWS 17-01 Page 16 3 Jan 2000 -----------------------------------------------------------------